If you don't want to speak German, just leave

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Hello everyone, I passed this forum by accident and had to have a look at peoples' opinions. I am German, born and raised in Munich been here almost all my life!

I would like to say that I really had to laugh when I saw some posts on here...does it really bother people that much if people were Tracht?

I have to say actual "Tracht" and what they sell as Dirndl these days seems like something completely different! I think people from abroad or Saupreissn (as the Bavarians say ;-)) can just as well wear Dirndl and Lederhosen as everyone else! I mean people from all over the world celebrate St. Patricks Day for instance and dress up although they have nothing to do with Ireland.

The only thing I dislike is guys wearing Lederhosen with T-Shirts and Flip Flops and then think they are wearing a traditional Bavarian outfit (entweder ganz oder gar nicht).

What I dislike though is foreigners that moan and bitch about Munich or Germany but have been living here for a while (I mean there must be something those people like about the city), or people who are from abroad who have been living here for more than 2 years and hardly speak any German.

I went to a Toytown meet-up last year in summer because my boyfriend is from England and when people asked me where I was from and I said Munich the only thing I got was a dirty look!

I am sorry to say this but why move to another country if you don't wanna learn the language and don't want to meet people from that country and you only stick with your own kind, those people should bugger off where they came from!

Especially people who are from English-speaking countries who speak almost no German at all neither another language other than English should really not make jokes about the German accent!

Those f... should really get the hell out of Germany.

 

Topic split: Foreigners wearing Tracht, right or wrong?

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and when people asked me where I was from and I said Munich the only thing I got was a dirty look!

I do not believe that for one second. If you got a dirty look it was sure as hell not because you said you were from Munich.

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And ze germans wonder why we stick to our "own kind" ???

 

Also bashing expats, on an expat forum, probably not the smartest move ever.

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wohoo everyone what the hell is going on here?

I was just saying that people who most obviously do NOT want to integrate should not even be here, especially not if they bitch about Germans or Germany all the time.

People are not forced to stay here if they don't like it!

btw keydeck I think you were one of the only people who was actually talking to me!

 

btw cabbage can't understand your opinion at all though!

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There are people that are here because they have to be. Some people may be here for love (don't like the place just the person in it), others can't leave because they can't afford the airfare home etc :P

 

The reason I think you should bugger off with your expats should try harder crap is because alot of these people you are talking about probably do try. German classes are mighty expensive so I am one of the many who have been here two years and still speak almost no german. Even though I actually like the place I still get to bitch about it because that is part of the reason of why TT is here. So go ramble your we should all go home bollocks somewhere else.

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You've gotten dirty looks for being from Munich? I doubt that... unless the TTers were trying to enjoy a German-free night out. Or maybe it was Germans from the north. I know my German neighbors here like me (an AMI!!!) better than they like Bavarians. Try living abroad being from Texas. Aside from the dirty looks, I can't count the number of times some idiot Germ has asked me if Bush is my neighbor or if I know him well or ... Yeah, I drove 16 hours (one-way) to visit him every month while we were kids. WTF?

 

By and large, I'd say it's probably mostly Germs designing, selling, and wearing Tracht. Don't blame the change in style on foreigners.

 

If you don't like moaning and bitching, don't come to TT. Everyone gripes about something. This is our place to join like-minded people in similar situations to discuss, gripe, vent, brag, praise ... life in a foreign (to us) country. I've sat in on German expats in the US while they moaned about something American. I am capable of understanding the difficulties and frustrations of living abroad. You don't seem to understand that. Too bad.

 

Now, go away.

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InAction, you are telling expats to either become Germanized or get out of Germany, right?

 

Now, take a logical look at your train of thought and tell me who in the world would want to become the kind of person who says things like that.

 

Of course we will keep our national and personal traits while adopting certain customs from our host country that we like. And we are entitled to miss certain things from home and say that we don't understand other things here. Not to mention that German is one of the most difficult languages to learn, especially considering that neither the US nor the UK school system seem to be very keen on teaching grammar, the bones of any language. I am convinced that I have been in Germany longer than you have, I blend in perfectly down to the Dirndl compatible figure and Bavarian accent and I have still been called Ausländerin and told to leave the room. No frigging way that I want to be that kind of German. and that is the kind of German I avoid where possible.

 

You have done Germany a Bärendienst.

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InAction...

 

I lived in Germany for 6 years. Worked, with Americans where we spoke English from 7 to 7. So, up at 5:30 and home by 8. So no, with the few hours I had to myself, I choose to speak ENGLISH with my German husband. He didn't mind, and yet you do :blink:

 

Of course I wish I had the time and energy to get past my survival German...but twas not the case.

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Do people on here even get what I am trying to say??? I never said that people should become German! I only said that if people from abroad want to live here that I think they should at least try to learn the language! I am well aware that it isn't always easy to learn another language especially German! Some people though don't even make an attempt. I have met various different people from other countries who have been living here for only a short while who speak German very well. I guess some people are also more talented with languages in general than others. I still think people should try to learn the laguage of the country they live in. I have never said that everyone who doesn't want to become "German" should leave the country. I think people who are living here who complain about everything over here all the time and don't want to learn the language are not forced to stay here! They can leave if it is bothering them that much.

I have no problem whatsoever with people from other countries hanging out with their "own kind". But on TT is also a German-speaking Stammtisch where people meet up to speak some German and maybe improve their knowledge a little!

I know as well that Germans build their opinions on tabloids like "Bild Zeitung" and then walk around and ask every American "did you vote for Bush as well". I can only speak for myself and say that I don't ask people from the States who they voted for or if they voted at all because I simply don't care on their political opinions. I mean I can't really say much, "my country" voted for Angela Merkel and ended up with a Grand Coalition!

Again I have no problem with English-speaking hanging out with other English-speaking people but it doesn't hurt anyone to make an attempt to learn another language!

I can also understand if people miss certain things about home...but missing things from home or discussing about differenties is not necessarily the same as bitching and moaning about everything over here.

I am sure that everyone who posted back does actually speak some German if not even well German, hangs out with German people or has German workmates / friends! I am pretty sure that you guys don't bitch about everything in Germany constantly, seeing that some of you have been living here for a while.

I seems though that people misunderstood my post I hope this makes it a little clearer now!

BTW I never blamed foreigner for the fashion Dirndls at all, I only wanted to say that this is not actually "Tracht" anymore!

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a German-Free night out! So I am not allowed to show up, although speaking English, because I am German? Sorry to say that but it seems kinda racist to me!

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The way you're carrying on, I don't think you'd be welcome at any TT get-togethers.

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I am sure that everyone who posted back does actually speak some German if not even well German, hangs out with German people or has German workmates / friends! I am pretty sure that you guys don't bitch about everything in Germany constantly, seeing that some of you have been living here for a while.

You are obviously new to this forum.

Maybe you should take some time and read some of the threads to get a better idea of what TT is all about. We do bitch and moan. It's part of who we are.

 

My german is crap even though I live with my german bf, he refuses to speak german to me because he says english is easier.I refuse to pay hundred of euros to learn german.

 

And I still think it is you who doesn't get the point. People do try, you have to or how else do you expect to be able to do anything here? If you haven't noticed it takes german to even figure out what the heck you are buying in the grocery store (and what lovely stores they are too ;) ) So just because the small amount of people you saw were enjoying a good time in english with other english speakers, you can't now decide if they don't speak to you it's not there. Read what I said before...not everyone can just leave! I was meant to go last year but my bf hasn't finished studying, shall I just pack up and run off home because things are hard here? No, I shall dam well stay on TT and bitch, moan and rant while I wait for him to finish.

 

Ah that feels better :)

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a German-Free night out! So I am not allowed to show up, although speaking English, because I am German? Sorry to say that but it seems kinda racist to me!

I work in a German office, with Germans, speak German, dealt with the KVR and the Arbeitsamt, shop in Germany, watch German television, deal with Telekom in German, and pay German Taxes, I have a right (imo) to bitch and moan about life here if I want, and if I want a night off from my german coworkers and speak my mother tongue without political discussions from opinions learned from the onesided news and explaining that I have integrated here, then I fucking deserve it. I met a german women at the TTFriday Beergarden, she was so fucking annoying, she is one of the reasons I choose not to go anymore... maybe you are her, maybe not, but I don't want to be used for English practice or be told that by reading TT I am not integrating into German life.

 

ps- maybe the mods can separate this from the mainthread, its gone way off topic.

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I guess you don't really get the point. I was saying that people should try to learn some German and I know a few people who have never learned German ever before and been here for half a year and speak pretty good German. It doesn't matter if people make grammar mistakes or they speak with an accent or don't know a few words. If your bf doesn't wanna talk German to you that's okay but there are other people out there who do and there is a German-speaking Stammtisch as well which costs nothing at all to only name a few things. I don't mind if people talk about differenties from their country in comparison to Germany or moan occasionaly about train-strikes or whatever but I have met quite a few people who always moan and bitch about something over here so I think to myself if it's really that dreadful over here why do they stay??? I have even heard from people "ugh there are so many Germans over here"! I am not generalising, I know that there are a lot of nice people out there who don't speak a lot of German but they at least try!

And going to TT meet-up talking to people and then getting looked at in a weird way because I am German is not really nice! You are in friggin Germany!

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Hi Carm

AGAIN I have no problem if people wanna go out and speak their mothers tongue. I think you misunderstood what I said! To me you ARE integrated! You are capable of dealing with institutions like the KVR Telekom or whatever. You talk to your German colleauges and probably some other people! If you feel like going for a dinner or a few beers with an English-speaking crowd why not go. This is NOT what I meant.

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FFS you just don't get it do you. We are well aware of where we are, we get people like you all the time going on and on and on about how we should speak better german, or how we should intergrate more, or how we should wait at the green man ;)

 

I doubt the looks were because you were german, maybe you had something on your face? Or maybe you were already in the 'oh this is just wrongwrongwrong to do in my wonderful country' mindset that you were the one that started of the nasty look game?

 

And for the last time...not...everyone...can...leave. It's not as easy as you may think to just pack up your entire life and move overseas. When people move here, their lives at home do not go on standby. This is it baby, for better or worse and people like you aren't helpful.

 

Edit: I don't go out with german collegues as I have none, Germany won't give me a work permit. I also don't take german classes, they are overpriced for what they are. The only germans I socialise with are my bf and his friends, who I am myself only just getting to talk to after a year of knowing. I did have one other german friend who then called me a thief so I don't particually fancy her anymore. I think I may be exactly the type of person you are talking about, and if you want to go and make life in germany easy peasy and with nothing to complain about I would love you too.

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You are capable of dealing with institutions like the KVR Telekom or whatever. You talk to your German colleauges and probably some other people! If you feel like going for a dinner or a few beers with an English-speaking crowd why not go.

I'm sure Carm will be delighted to know that she has earned your permission.

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