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9 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

Says the guy who believes things he reads in 4chan and 8chan.

 

Lets make sure to put 8chan in the past tense. hehehehe!

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2 hours ago, AlexTr said:

 

Lets make sure to put 8chan in the past tense. hehehehe!

 

4chan and 8chan are ridiculous. 

 

Someone who spent 2.5 years bloviating about a false Russia narrative, shouldn't be ridiculing anyone's susceptibility to believing absurdities.   :lol:

 

 

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2 hours ago, balticus said:

 

4chan and 8chan are ridiculous. 

 

Someone who spent 2.5 years bloviating about a false Russia narrative, shouldn't be ridiculing anyone's susceptibility to believing absurdities.   :lol:

 

 

Oh come on there is no conspiracy theory as bad as the many originating on 4 or 8chan.

Pizzagate,Sandy Hook,911 the list of total absurdities goes on and on and anyone visiting those sites deserves all the abuse they get.

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2 hours ago, Keleth said:

Oh come on there is no conspiracy theory as bad as the many originating on 4 or 8chan.

Pizzagate,Sandy Hook,911 the list of total absurdities goes on and on and anyone visiting those sites deserves all the abuse they get.

 

 

People just do not get what those sites are, it is the place that mothers all kind of sh*t that might later on become mainstream in the Internet.  Plenty of "Operations" are just mass-manipulation, their primary intent is to make it to the mainstream making people believe that crap is real or for shocking value or "just for the lols".   But there are the gullible people who think that crap is real.  And worse, there are people who think they really "get it", thinking that it all is fake crap from the "other band" to manipulate you.

 

And this is just the top of the iceberg, 4chan is actually kind of difficult to explain, you have to spend tons of time there to finally kind of "get it".  Which I did, somewhere around 2004.  But then, different boards might have totally different cultures.

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On 8/19/2019, 8:24:34, Krieg said:

 

Says the guy who believes things he reads in 4chan and 8chan.

 

J2, always trying to turn up the gas quickly enough to see how the darkness looks. ;) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Don't panic but it looks as if the entire planet may be at risk from the fires raging in the Amazon. Sky over Sao Paulo black from smoke thousands of miles away, 72,843 fires in Brazil this year, an 80% increase on last year, football-pitch-sized areas disappearing every minute, maps showing many fires in square patterns indicating they've been set deliberately, farmers apparently emboldened to clear land by President Bolsonaro's rhetoric. Not only would a transformation of the Amazon from rainforest to savanna reportedly accelerate climate change and raise sea levels by several metres but the Amazon rainforest is apparently responsible for 20% of the planet's oxygen and if that's put at risk, so are we.

 

Brazil's Amazon rainforest is burning at a record rate, research center says
Blame humans for starting the Amazon fires, environmentalists say
Wildfires in Amazon

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The Amazon rainforest has been called the lungs of the world.  This is very serious.    

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1 hour ago, Lorelei said:

Don't panic but it looks as if the entire planet may be at risk from the fires raging in the Amazon. Sky over Sao Paulo black from smoke thousands of miles away, 72,843 fires in Brazil this year, an 80% increase on last year, football-pitch-sized areas disappearing every minute, maps showing many fires in square patterns indicating they've been set deliberately, farmers apparently emboldened to clear land by President Bolsonaro's rhetoric. Not only would a transformation of the Amazon from rainforest to savanna reportedly accelerate climate change and raise sea levels by several metres but the Amazon rainforest is apparently responsible for 20% of the planet's oxygen and if that's put at risk, so are we.

 

Brazil's Amazon rainforest is burning at a record rate, research center says
Blame humans for starting the Amazon fires, environmentalists say
Wildfires in Amazon

 

If you say "Amazon" to people, most will think of the place you buy crap, rather than the lungs of the planet.  We're doomed.

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Lorelei said:

Don't panic but it looks as if the entire planet may be at risk from the fires raging in the Amazon. Sky over Sao Paulo black from smoke thousands of miles away, 72,843 fires in Brazil this year, an 80% increase on last year, football-pitch-sized areas disappearing every minute, maps showing many fires in square patterns indicating they've been set deliberately, farmers apparently emboldened to clear land by President Bolsonaro's rhetoric. Not only would a transformation of the Amazon from rainforest to savanna reportedly accelerate climate change and raise sea levels by several metres but the Amazon rainforest is apparently responsible for 20% of the planet's oxygen and if that's put at risk, so are we.

 

Brazil's Amazon rainforest is burning at a record rate, research center says
Blame humans for starting the Amazon fires, environmentalists say
Wildfires in Amazon

 

 

And then to make things worst, Brazil voted for Bolsonaro, the mini-Trump who gave more mining licences to exploit the Amazon and who gave more licenses to JBS to take down more trees in order to have more cows over there.

 

In case you do not know, JBS is a giant (originally) Brazilian corporation producing 10% of the world's beef and it is the biggest producer of meat in the world.

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13 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

 

And then to make things worst, Brazil voted for Bolsonaro, the mini-Trump who gave more mining licences to exploit the Amazon and who gave more licenses to JBS to take down more trees in order to have more cows over there.

 

In case you do not know, JBS is a giant (originally) Brazilian corporation producing 10% of the world's beef and it is the biggest producer of meat in the world.

 

do not think its a bit rich of the 'west' to cut done almost all of our trees and then complain that the Brazilians are do the same ?

 

If the west is so fond of the environment, why are not demolishing large houses and planting trees back in USA and Europe ??

 

Why is the west not reducing the living standards in the west to at least the same level as Brazil, and in so doing reducing the net carbon output - that way the Brazilian people would have no reason to try and cheep up with the western living standards and save the planet

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, yesterday said:

 

do not think its a bit rich of the 'west' to cut done almost all of our trees and then complain that the Brazilians are do the same ?

If the west is so fond of the environment, why are not demolishing large houses and planting trees back in USA and Europe ??

Brazil has a populational density 10x lower than Germany. To be able to find such large pieces of land in Europe, you would need to kill people. So let´s cut down the nonsense.

 

2 hours ago, yesterday said:

Why is the west not reducing the living standards in the west to at least the same level as Brazil, and in so doing reducing the net carbon output - that way the Brazilian people would have no reason to try and cheep up with the western living standards and save the planet

If you knew anything about Brazil, you wold know that only the extremely rich brazilians profit from deforestation. This is not for the "people", it´s for a very reduce number of extremely rich elite.

 

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3 hours ago, Krieg said:

 

 

And then to make things worst, Brazil voted for Bolsonaro, the mini-Trump who gave more mining licences to exploit the Amazon and who gave more licenses to JBS to take down more trees in order to have more cows over there.

 

In case you do not know, JBS is a giant (originally) Brazilian corporation producing 10% of the world's beef and it is the biggest producer of meat in the world.

And guess who's his ball polisher on TT?

 

On 11/11/2018, 2:33:05, J0ker said:

I'm not Brazilian but since I'm the only known TT-er in Brazil at the moment, I'll comment.  Bolsonaro is a result of decades of leftist corruption and failures by politicians like Rousseff.  Middle class people are sick of favellas, high crime and a never ending cycle of poverty for a large chunk of the population.  In fact talking to people I'm surprised Bolsonaro didn't get over 50 % in the first round.  The press reports that he only has a 25 - 30 % approval rating among women but from my experience in Sao Paolo, it's definitely more than that.  Unlike the West, if you publicly voice support for Bolsonaro in Brazil you don't risk getting fired or stabbed by "anti fascists".

 

Issues such as gay marriage, transgender bathrooms, and politically correct speech are of very minor importance here and are seen as by the population as first world problems.   But before a bunch of smug Westerners judge the Brazilians on their "bigotry"; put yourself in their position.  If you had a favella next door would you concern yourself with alleviating poverty and crime or what comes out of somebody's mouth?

 

All in all I wish Bolsonaro and Brazil the best but expect vicious attacks and fake news campaigns from the media.

Quelle surprise!

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Decades of leftist corruption :lol::lol:

 

Brazil like most of South America has been ran by right wing governments since like forever.  It was just lately that some countries had leftists government for a short while.   In the Brazilian particular case, Lula was president from 2002 to 2010,  And then Lula was followed by Rousseff (same party as Lula) and she was impeached in 2016.  That's all the "decades of leftist corruption", basically 3 and a half periods, or 13.5 years.

 

There was a leftist president in the 50s when South America was turning to the left, but then later on his party was dismantled by the army when they took the power and ruled the country.   After the military time only two political parties were legal, a right wing party and a "center" party what was more a "catch-all" party that was really conservative.  And then the right wingers were in power for some time until the mid 80s, when the center-conservatives took power for several periods until the right wingers won again with Henrique Cardoso who was president from 1994-2002.  And then Lula won.

 

What a sad thing to live in a country and have no clue about what happens around.

 

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6 minutes ago, Krieg said:

What a sad thing to live in a country and have no clue about what happens around.

I know, right? And he doesn't speak the language well enough to tell the difference between balls and drawers, either.

 

It's almost as if he weren't even there.

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1 hour ago, MikeMelga said:

 

If you knew anything about Brazil, you wold know that only the extremely rich brazilians profit from deforestation. This is not for the "people", it´s for a very reduce number of extremely rich elite.

 

 

Lots of mulitnationals profit, e.g. Cargill, Dow Dupont, Blackstone have been mentioned.   

 

Since commodities are priced at the margin, excess production of soy, sugar cane, and beef raise the standard of living for many people.   China has been purchasing a lot of soft commodities from Brazil and Argentina in recent years.   

 

 

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Brazil is burning the amazon forest, so that they can planet palm oil seeds amongst other things, but mainly palm oil, which we in west buy along with almost all the rest of the world.

 

If we ( the west ) buy it, can you blame Brazil for growing it ? Or should we blame  ourselves for buying it and  creating a reason for them to produce even more. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/19/palm-oil-ingredient-biscuits-shampoo-environmental

 

When Macron condemns the burning of the Amazon, he should really be trying to stop the import of palm oil into the EU.

 

To be realistic, unless we accept that we need the Amazon to clean the air, and accept we have to pay Brazil to leave the forest in tact them then the de-forestation will continue as there is a plain old economic reason to do - driven partly by us.

 

It does not really matter who gets rich and by how much, even at the lowest level of pay, the people are still better off doing it then not working- and that's important to them - as least more important than the air we all breath.

 

If you look at the country's that pollute the most http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/pollution-by-country/ - its us - then we

have the cheek to tell other country's to stop chopping down the wood so the Amazon can help clean the pollution  air we make. Why don't we just stop polluting things in the first place

 

 

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16 hours ago, hooperski said:

 

If you say "Amazon" to people, most will think of the place you buy crap, rather than the lungs of the planet.  We're doomed.

 

 

 

The wrong Amazon is burning.

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2 hours ago, balticus said:

 

Lots of mulitnationals profit, e.g. Cargill, Dow Dupont, Blackstone have been mentioned.   

 

Since commodities are priced at the margin, excess production of soy, sugar cane, and beef raise the standard of living for many people.   China has been purchasing a lot of soft commodities from Brazil and Argentina in recent years.   

 

 

But it does benefit the multinationals a lot more than it benefits normal people.That`s just a side affect which doesn`t matter to the multinationals and I`m sure they`d happily take away those benefits if it meant more money for them.

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