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owen hargreaves is fucking shit , he only gets 20 mins when some one gets injured, when he does get on he gives the ball away more then anyone else then gives away freekicks , i have never seen him do any think good for england and should never be playing for them , he is a leauge 3 player at best and i cant see why he plays for england if he plays in the world cup we havent got a fucking chance

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I had to watch the England v Hungary match because of my boyfriend and I have to say I was well impressed with Hargreaves. Hot, hot, hot. I don't mean his football. I can imagine he must have quite a few girl fans in Germany. It is a pity we don't get to see any more of him over here. I may definetly sit in on another match to get a better look at him. He is definetly the best looking player in the England squad and I hope I can find out more about him.

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Paula, dig that shit out of your eyes you blind bitch.

 

owen sucks

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I thought hargreaves had a good game against hungary, get him in that midfield with gerrard he would be so much better going forward, carnt wait to see him in the world cup, come on owen show all them critics how good you rely are!

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The thing is that Sven and the whole English coach staff just don't get it. Having Owen play in a different position in the national team than at Bayern is plain stupid. Of course he won't be able to play up to the expectations in a position he's not used to playing in.

He does a wonderful job at Bayern and it's somewhat sad that English fans just aren't open-minded enough to acknowledge it. The Bundesliga is way better that many people think it is, and Bayern can easily keep up with Arsenal or Manchester, so having a succesful and talented player at this club should actually make you guys proud.

Plus, Owen has character and pride. He isn't just some mercenary, but he will give everything for the team he's playing for. I'd be glad to see some of the German national players have his attitude towards the game.

 

Anyway...Hargreaves is undoubtedly a great player, and the way people treat him is utterly unfair. After all, he would do anything for England.

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hargreaves should come play for tottenham :D

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Hargreaves is arguably one of the best players in English football. The crap that he has taken in and ignored is unbelievable. Not one of those whiners like Wayne Rooney. Dominik is definentaly right. His work ethics make him a great player. So anyways, Owen is definentaly a key footballer in England.

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I think Owen is the holding midfielder that England is looking for if sven is brave enough to drop Lamps or Stevie G.

 

The problem with Hargreaves is that he tries to hard to be everywhere on the pitch when he just needs to play just behind the midfielders just like Claude Makelele does for France and Chelsea.

 

Dont get us Englishmen wrong, we like the fact that an English guy is playing well for the best team in Germany and we are proud of that, but is he what we need for England? For me Lampard and Gerrard or Carrick in the holding midfield position, Hargreaves will always be a sub because he can play in 7 different positions and that makes a useful sub because of the fact he can play anywhere. Only in the last year or so that he has started to claim that holding midfield position and sven does like him, he has said that Bayern has 3 special players Ballack, Santa Cruz and Hargreaves. Hargreaves has started to be taken seriously by many prem managers and Sven. Remember how Joe cole started out for England? the same will happen to hargreaves.

 

Its going to be a fight between Hargreave and Carrick for that position, Look at it this way the compitition between them will make them better players and that is good for England.

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You German guys are full of crap... if Hargreaves chose to play for Germany over England he would still be a Sub. What... Would you drop Ballack, Frings, Schneider or Schweinsteiger? No you wouldnt you Mugs. Face it any one who would say Hargreaves is better than Cole Lamps Gerrard and Becks are raving mad and should seek professional help. Bayern are the only team in Germany, i would love to see how well Bayern would cope with the premiership. To the guy who called Rooney a whiner. He broke his foot you dick, cant you blame him for being a little upset or are all Germans devoid of emotion like Dr Spock from Star-Trek. No wait the Biggest Whiner in world football is Ballack. Rooney has nothing on that guy apart from talent; Rooney would run circles over him.

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Do any of you Germans have a clue about football we are not going to drop any of our english midfield to put Hargreaves in he absolute rubbish, if i was him id pray for a miracle that somehow Sven stays because hes the only reason that hargreaves hasnt been droped already, he should never have been thought about coming into the England squad never mind actually being put there. If theres any hope at all he can hold a place on the bench he should move to the premiership

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I think he's a solid player and is worthy of his place in the squad for me his best position is right back.Although his surname does makes him sound like an 18th ccentury blacksmith.

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Owen Hargreaves

 

Hargreaves is a talented player who deserves his spot.A major problem for Owen is that this young man is the safest player for the English media and fans to attack when in reality they are simply campaigning for their own favorites inclusion in the squad. It is logical in a sense to belittle a foreigner and a player who competes in a league remote from the beloved shores of England.

 

The jingoistic media is in fact harmful to the game and England's chances as logical analysis of worth or talent is often hysterical and irrelevant.

 

Unfortunately for England, the team has too few skilled players to seriously challenge for any cup. All the hype in the world is not going to impress the kids who grew up in a San Paulo slum one twit when the going gets rough.

 

Here in Calgary, Canada we are delighted with Owen's progress and wish him and England all the best.

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To quote the guy above. "England, the team has too few skilled players to seriously challenge for any cup." Dont make me giggle; Do you know anything about football??? England has some of the best players in the world, the problem with England is Sven, he doesnt know how to use them, rather to sub like for likeness and keep the attack going he would change the whole way the team plays and going defensive. So Bristowe get a clue watch some games and then try to say something intelligent or stick to ice hockey.

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I agree, Hargreaves has had a bad rap just because Sven doesnt use him or any other sub correctly, England looked crap playing Paraguay just because Sven subbed Owen and left Crouch up on his own. England looked good up to that point, when anyone who has watched crouch and Liverpool should know that he plays better with another player to feed off or feed too. -10 for Sven, England play better with 442, 4321 or 41212 with Hargreaves in the holding midfield. But Stick to 442 Sven not 4411, 4312 and 433 should never be played again.

I thought Hargreaves is a good player in all the crazy positions Sven put him in (Starting to sound like a porn star). I wish he had Scottish Blood in there somewhere, lol.

 

But if Sven was willing to rest Lampard or Gerrard for half the game I think Hargreaves is good choice, but only in 41212 formations, just like for his club.

 

I might get hanged by my fellow countrymen in Scotland when i say come on England.

I like any team of the isles, Scotland first (England, Wales, Republic and Northern Ireland) Second.

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I know a little bit. To answer your question. I've attended Euro 96 including the semi and final at Wembly, Euro 2004 for 12 games and have been to the Bombonerra, Maracana and National stadia in Quito, San Jose, Riyadh, Tokyo as well as stadia in Amsterdam, Medillin and Bogata amongst other rather dusty places.

 

Having watched how the kids play in the streets with a partially deflated ball I know that all the luggage and sun glasses in the world will not see England through, even though I fondly wish for that very result.I maintain, England does not have a tactical deficiency but has too few players of technical skill despite Gerrard, Lampard et al. They will lose in the end by a failure to retain the ball by their forwards, defensive blunders and an inability to score unless Rooney can return with the same form he showed in Portugal prior to his injury.

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People need to remember that just because he isn't on MOTD playing in England does not mean he is shit. Most of this crap has been drummed up by tiny minded journalists (i use the term loosly) and then spewed out by Sun reading mingmongs. If anything its vaugely racist - he isnt good enough because he plays in Germany. Beckham doesn't get this sort of flack for playing in Spain and he has disappointed in every final he's played in so far.

 

I remember watching Bayern win the European cup with Hargreves standing in for Stefan Effenberg. He was brilliant. That is one cup a few of the England squad still haven't got their hands on yet - though Chelsea are about to buy it...

Lets face it if Man U or Chelsea bought him in the next few weeks everyone would have to shut the fuck up.

 

I am more worried with the inability of the England team to hold the ball. Remember they were shit BEFORE Hargreaves came on on saturday.

In fact as he hasn't really played for England much over the past year he cant be to blame for that weakness.

 

Give him the holding position with gerrard ahead. Nuff said.

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You are kidding arent you?

 

I agree with you to certain extent about hargreaves being a fall guy for the England team. But on the other hand he had a 2 good games in world cup 2002 and thats all, in the other games hes ranged from just worthy to play to absolutely woeful, hes never really staked his claim for the team with consistent performances. If he wants to do that he needs desperately to get to the premiership and show the England fans what he can do if played in the correct way (I agree that sven doesn't play him correctly). If he does not stake his claim hell remain behind Gerrard and Carrick for a defensive midfield position that has never really worked for the national team, or behind Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick, Jenas and several others outside the squad such as Reo-Koker for the Central midfield position that actually works with the english attack.

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Bristowe, your talking out your backside, England have the same chances as everyone else.

 

After listening to Hargreaves on sky sports i think its time to get behind him and cheer him on.

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Bristowe, the same rubbish you just said was also muttered to at Euro 2004 against Greece, Do you remember what that team achieved.

 

You sure have been to many football matches around the world no less, but there is a wonderful invention called a television that allows people to see football games with more clarity that being at dusty locations sitting behind the fat guy with BO. You cant just say England havent got the players to win anything, England have a better squad than France, Germany and the Czechs, we have a got mix of youth and experience and the starting 11 are all world class.

Only Brazil is the team to beat, then there are 10 other teams on par with each other including England.

 

So i say again, stick to Ice Hockey, that is what you play in Canada...

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First let me correct myself. England are capable of winning the cup.

 

However:

 

Owen - While I too fondly remember his famous run against Argentina times have changed. Technically, look at the number of times the ball comes to him and he either bobbles it away or gets run over. With his hamstring injuries and lack or dribbling skill the young man no longer can go past defensive players. His left foot shot has always been weak. Speed and opportunism made this young man and without the speed and fitness he has become very average. Unfortunately - at this time he is no longer world class.

 

Crouch - while occassionaly he handles well with his feet, his strength, heading, speed and positioning are all substandard. Unfortunately - not world class.

 

Compare those two to most other top flight forward pairs and England suffers technically in comparison. Both would be very hard pressed to start for Italy, Spain, the Chechs, Argentina, Croatia, Mexico, The Netherlands, Sweden or for that matter most other sides in the competition.

 

Add to that,

 

G. Neville - not world class. Enough said.

 

The rest of the team I will agree are all very good players. Each is excellant in their own way.

 

Having reduce the number of "world class players" to 8 and I am being generous here - it's not likely to be enough. If as you say there are 10 other teams being their equal or whatever - give me the field. England can win, but like all other teams, will need all the luck they can muster. And yes, of course, Greece did do very well as a team. But there were no Africans, Asians or New World players in Portugal.

 

However, to get back to the topic, the focus on Hargreaves is unfair, reflects a narrowness of mindset and worse suggests an unease or an unwillingness to accept the real weaknesses in the team. A proven defensive midfielder is something all teams rely upon. To wit Brazil, France et al. If not Hargreaves - them whom?

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