Buying property in Germany

[mtbiking 1,878]

36 minutes ago, jamiegw said:

At what point in the process are fixtures and fittings discussed? E.g. kitchen,  white goods, curtains/ curtain rails, lights, bulbs, light switches, plug covers, shower curtain, carpet, water butt, clothes line, extractor hood. I would assume this stuff goes in the purchase contract?

The kitchen and closets  for example yes, should be (priced separately in the contract),in order to pay less tax. Stuff like switches and shower curtains.. no.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, mtbiking said:

The kitchen and closets  for example yes, should be (priced separately in the contract),in order to pay less tax. Stuff like switches and shower curtains.. no.

Thanks. We have a fixtures and fittings form in the UK where all this stuff is defined before the contract is signed. Do we wait until the handover to see what the seller has left for us. I hope she leaves the toilet.

[mtbiking 1,878]

5 minutes ago, jamiegw said:

Thanks. We have a fixtures and fittings form in the UK where all this stuff is defined before the contract is signed. Do we wait until the handover to see what the seller has left for us. I hope she leaves the toilet.

Relax, the toilets are part of the house. Only moveable things (like shower curtains or toilet seats) aren’t. You can just ask. 

[Guest]

Well in the case, I hope she leaves the toilet seat.  Yes we can agree what she is leaving,  but if its not in the contract,  then she has no legal obligation to leave anything. But this is useful for me to know.  Thanks

[RedMidge 6,638]

I would have checked all this before the contract was signed! Do not presume that those items would be left in the house!

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, RedMidge said:

I would have checked all this before the contract was signed! Do not presume that those items would be left in the house!

Nothing is signed yet. So there is still time for that. I assumed it should be determined before signing and anything to be left should be included in the contract

[GoBike 140]

Even when renting the kitchen is not included in Germany unless stated. Lighting is another item as well were the requirement is a single bulb in the entrance. Why anyone would remove a kitchen or lights I have no idea. They asked me if I would like to buy the lights I said no but they left them anyway.

[catjones 1,658]

11 minutes ago, GoBike said:

asked me if I would like to buy the lights

 

check to make sure the paint is still on the walls.

[WhyNot_DE 155]

I had to use my phone light first time I entered my old apartment after the previous tenant left.  no bulbs

 

I was surprised, when I moved I left some cheaper bulbs there at least

 

[Fietsrad 385]

My Arbeiterschliessfach, Plattenbauwohnung came without cooker and sink, but they are available fr€€! Apparently many people bring their own but you just have to ask.

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Even better, after the first full year my rent plus utilities were calculated anew, I do not use the heating so much. Rent went down. By €1,oo a month 😉

[Guest]

So I just got my bills from the notar. 800 for the Grundschuld and 2500 for the Kaufvertrag.  This totals 0.9% of the property price. I had budgeted for 2% (7k). So I am assuming the fees can be upto 2%.

 

So I have 4k sat in my budget without a job. A pleasant surprise.

[Frantic 72]

3 hours ago, jamiegw said:

So I just got my bills from the notar. 800 for the Grundschuld and 2500 for the Kaufvertrag.  This totals 0.9% of the property price. I had budgeted for 2% (7k). So I am assuming the fees can be upto 2%.

 

So I have 4k sat in my budget without a job. A pleasant surprise.

 

Hummm, at which point of the process you are ?

 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Frantic said:

 

Hummm, at which point of the process you are ?

 

Signed the purchase contract last week. You think more invoices will arrive as the process progresses?

[zephyr 108]

2 hours ago, jamiegw said:

Signed the purchase contract last week. You think more invoices will arrive as the process progresses?

Yes this is the first part of the invoices - you will get another set of invoices once the process progresses (incl. invoice adding your name to the property in Grundbuchamt, deletion of the old owners, taxes amongst others.)

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, zephyr said:

Yes this is the first part of the invoices - you will get another set of invoices once the process progresses (incl. invoice adding your name to the property in Grundbuchamt, deletion of the old owners, taxes amongst others.)

Yeah I thought I would be receiving more because the Notar still has more work to do, but my step father thought otherwise. 

 

Invoice 1:

KV 21200 beurkundungsverfahren §§ 97, 53: 800€

 

Invoice 2:

 

KV 21100 beurkundungsverfahren §§ 97, 47: 1200€

KV 22200 Betreungsgebuhr §§ 113: 350€

KV 22110 vollzugsgebuhr §§ 112: 350€

[DoubleDTown 388]

On 8/13/2022, 8:37:19, jamiegw said:

So I just got my bills from the notar.

 

So I have 4k sat in my budget without a job. A pleasant surprise.

 

the federal state's "Justizkasse" might keep sending you bills.  For noting this in the Grundbuch.  for noting that in the Grundbuch.  etc. 

[Guest]

On 19/08/2022, 18:51:41, DoubleDTown said:

 

the federal state's "Justizkasse" might keep sending you bills.  For noting this in the Grundbuch.  for noting that in the Grundbuch.  etc. 

Got another yesterday from Amtsgericht for adding me and the bank to the Grundbuch. 1000€. Bargain.

[Shenandoah 93]

Jamiegw,

 

A big expense in the purchase costs is the Grunderwerbsteuer.  I believe that is around 6% of the purchase price (in Berlin) paid to the Finanzamt. You'll have to check what the percentage is where you bought.  

 

S.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Shenandoah said:

Jamiegw,

 

A big expense in the purchase costs is the Grunderwerbsteuer.  I believe that is around 6% of the purchase price (in Berlin) paid to the Finanzamt. You'll have to check what the percentage is where you bought.  

 

S.

Yeah already got that 5% ready. Happy to pay my taxes.

[Frantic 72]

On 8/13/2022, 8:37:19, jamiegw said:

So I just got my bills from the notar. 800 for the Grundschuld and 2500 for the Kaufvertrag.  This totals 0.9% of the property price. I had budgeted for 2% (7k). So I am assuming the fees can be upto 2%.

 

So I have 4k sat in my budget without a job. A pleasant surprise.

 

An update about this, at least for my current purchase process.

 

After the sign of the contract I got 2 bills from the Notar:

 

1. Related to the kaufvertrag handling and betreuungstätigkeit (falligkkeitemitteilung and Überwaching eigentumsumscrheibung)

2. Related to the Grundpfand recht. 

 

Till the call I made today to the Notar to ask if I should have expected further Invoice from them, I thought that the 2. was covering just the Grundschuld creation for the hypo and the creation of this "lock" on the Grundbuch that stop the seller to sell the property to someonelese in the meanwhile.

But apparently this 2. covered also the "effort" from Notar office for asking/requesting/following/whatever-they.do complete update of Grundbuch till the point we are the new owner on this document.

 

Strange things is that while the Grundbuch update fees (that i pay to the local landsjutiz-something) are the expected 0.5%, the notar fees are basically half of the expected 1.5%. I know that this 1.5% is not a fixed value but 0,75% of difference appears to me a huge difference.

 

 

PS: writing the part in bold took me 5 minutes