When will my 49 euro ticket arrive?

[snowingagain 5,350]

Off topic I know, but I found the thing of children going free with parents DB was a huge thing.  Amazing. If you had a Bahncard and had kids, it is so cheap.

 

[Gambatte 925]

This Deutschlandticket does not include IC, right?

I often travel the whole North-South length of Germany, going to Italy. Right now I have the BahnCard25.

[Gambatte 925]

As expected, IC and ICE are excluded 

[Fietsrad 412]

Many people who travel to work by train/bus could be €100 a month better off, until the price goes up, I forecast that for latest December 31😉

 

I wonder how that lost revenue is compensated, the costs of running trains do not go down, and who pays?

 

Actually, I do not wonder: the Allegemeinheit, all of us, including those lucky or smart enough to be able to walk/cycle a few minutes to work.

 

Yes, more taxes!💰

[scook17 281]

2 hours ago, Fietsrad said:

Many people who travel to work by train/bus could be €100 a month better off, until the price goes up, I forecast that for latest December 31😉

I wonder how that lost revenue is compensated, the costs of running trains do not go down, and who pays?

Actually, I do not wonder: the Allegemeinheit, all of us, including those lucky or smart enough to be able to walk/cycle a few minutes to work.

Yes, more taxes!💰

 

I see all too often around Munich that they come and dig up perfectly useable roads and replace them 'for fun'.

One might think someone was getting kick backs or had shares/ownership in the road company paid for this useless work.

So if they redirected this pointless road spending into trains and other public transport / new cycle paths, I for one would be happy.

 

Despite being affected, I am not unhappy Munich finally decided to kick out the dirty diesel cars from the middle ring road.

Gradually all diesels will be excluded. However, they failed with cars which drive around all the time, like taxis, as these are exempt.

If anything, they should be held to a higher standard. Another example of a lobby getting preferential treatment.

 

Public transport is a public service. It's will never be profitable and maintain uniform service. Sure there are commuter lines which will always be full. However, the rural services are surely never profitable. If you happen to be rich enough to live in the centre, great, but it's mostly the workers who have to commute into a city. A uniform price is the best social method to cover this public service. An no, just ticket prices will not cover providing a good local rail service. They will always need money from taxation.

 

In the end society has a choice, low taxes and non existent public services. This is the Thatcher 'I'm alright jack' approach. The US has perhaps the worst example of this, with people living on the streets within months of loosing a job. The UK prime minister was asked if he used private medical care, to which he would not answer. The answer he would say is the he doesn't want to wait in line with the peasants for what little health care the lords of the land care to give out to the poor.

 

The alternative is a high taxation, good public service country. So to some extent Germany, but it fails in many instances, such as poor pensions and until the recent changes, poor minimum wages. Perhaps the better example are the Nordic countries. 

[Fietsrad 412]

Lots of commuters are going to "save" money soon. A season Hamburg - Lubeck for example costs €230 a month now, but soon it will cost €2172 less per year, madness! But of course the cost of running the trains is NOT going down, we all pay in the end through taxes.

 

I record how much I spend on train and bus travel. In February it was €48,60. Knifflige/tricky problem: should I get a 49€ ticket? 😉

[Fietsrad 412]

On 14.1.2023 12:27:29, sluzup said:

The point is to get more people off the roads.  Since lockdown, less people are using the trains and more are using their cars.  There are many benefits to getting people out of their cars and onto the trains, so yes, government may need to spend more on the trains but maybe less elsewhere.

Not quite. Train travel may be a bit more attractive, but nothing is done to make driving less attractive😕

[Fietsrad 412]

So, you could buy the 9€ ticket for cash from the machine at the station. Say, on the first of the month. Or on the 22nd, still good value for a couple of trips in nine days.

 

If you want a ticket for May 2023 you have to order it by April 10, is that right? Can you buy it later? And then remember to cancel the subscription😕

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This month I spent €31 on transit, much less than €49. Oftentimes I spend €70+ in a month. Might need to do a bit of planning to get the best deal.

[snowingagain 5,350]

1 hour ago, Fietsrad said:

So, you could buy the 9€ ticket for cash from the machine at the station. Say, on the first of the month. Or on the 22nd, still good value for a couple of trips in nine days.  If you want a ticket for May 2023 you have to order it by April 10, is that right? Can you buy it later? And then remember to cancel the subscription😕.

This month I spent €31 on transit, much less than €49. Oftentimes I spend €70+ in a month. Might need to do a bit of planning to get the best deal.

I agree that it seems to be of most benefit to people with a more expensive Monatskarte or whatever.  You do not have to order in advance and can buy one part way through a month if you want, though it will only be valid until the end of that month.  They are just trying to encourage people to buy it.  And you can buy it, and cancel the sub the same day, if you are worried about forgetting.  Ditto all DB subs. 

[Fietsrad 412]

Seems to make crazy long-distance commuting attractiver with foreseeable consequences😠

[snowingagain 5,350]

6 minutes ago, Fietsrad said:

Seems to make crazy long-distance commuting attractiver with foreseeable consequences😠

Perhaps it might encourage some commuters to use rail?  Who knows.  Not sure why the angry thing.   It does not seem to work for families. Mad if you have are a couple with 2 kids over 6 that you would have to buy 4.  It just does not work.  Luckily there are alternatives that are quite good.  TBH I have no idea why they are even doing this.  It is a crap deal for most people.

 

BTW if you think the offers in DE are bad, research season tickets in the UK.   You could buy a DB 100 for many of the quite local season ticket prices in the UK.

 

[fraufruit 42,154]

It will reduce the price of the Monatskarte that we buy in Munich. Win win.

[murphaph 9,813]

4 hours ago, Fietsrad said:

So, you could buy the 9€ ticket for cash from the machine at the station. Say, on the first of the month. Or on the 22nd, still good value for a couple of trips in nine days.

 

If you want a ticket for May 2023 you have to order it by April 10, is that right? Can you buy it later? And then remember to cancel the subscription😕

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This month I spent €31 on transit, much less than €49. Oftentimes I spend €70+ in a month. Might need to do a bit of planning to get the best deal.

If you value convenience I guess with those figures you can certainly justify just staying subscribed. I mean some months you are 20 short, some you are 20 over so it balances out, no? I  wouldn't have the patience to be cancelling and re-subscribing every couple of months.

[Dembo 525]

€75 for the Zone 1 Monatskarte for Stuttgart (a bit less with an Abo, which I didn't get because this was coming). So this saves me some. TBH I'd probably be slightly better off if I bought the Tages/4er Tickets when I need them but I pay for the convenience of not having to think about it and the D_Ticket also means I don't have to worry about straying into Zone 2. Or even go wild and visit  Zone 5.

 

I know in reality as an above average earner I'm contributing more in tax than I'm getting out. 

 

 

[snowingagain 5,350]

29 minutes ago, Dembo said:

€75 for the Zone 1 Monatskarte for Stuttgart (a bit less with an Abo, which I didn't get because this was coming). So this saves me some. TBH I'd probably be slightly better off if I bought the Tages/4er Tickets when I need them but I pay for the convenience of not having to think about it and the D_Ticket also means I don't have to worry about straying into Zone 2. Or even go wild and visit  Zone 5.

 

I know in reality as an above average earner I'm contributing more in tax than I'm getting out. 

Am curious. What percentage of your tax do you think you are paying for subsidising DB?  And what about road building, and such?  Curious, as you seem to know this stuff.  Please enlighten me.

 

[LukeSkywalker 7,629]

40 minutes ago, Dembo said:

€75 for the Zone 1 Monatskarte for Stuttgart (a bit less with an Abo, which I didn't get because this was coming).

€75? Munich is cheaper with €63,20 for M-Zone (former first 4 rings). M stands for Munich. In the past you needed a Ph.D to understand the system 👻.

[LukeSkywalker 7,629]

1 hour ago, murphaph said:

If you value convenience I guess with those figures you can certainly justify just staying subscribed. I mean some months you are 20 short, some you are 20 over so it balances out, no? I  wouldn't have the patience to be cancelling and re-subscribing every couple of months.

Everybody knows by now that Fietsrad does anything in his power to save money on almost everything. 

[keith2011 2,648]

On 04/02/2023, 09:30:53, Fietsrad said:

Many people who travel to work by train/bus could be €100 a month better off, until the price goes up, I forecast that for latest December 31😉

 

Prices for regular tickets on Munich's public transport have increased in price every year since I lived here, so I don't doubt the Deutschland ticket will increase in price next year, no big deal as long as the differential remains similar!

[LukeSkywalker 7,629]

9 hours ago, keith2011 said:

Prices for regular tickets on Munich's public transport have increased in price every year since I lived here, …

Except when the M-Zone was introduced. I paid €55,20 for this instead of €66,60 for the first 3 rings.

[keith2011 2,648]

3 hours ago, LukeSkywalker said:

Except when the M-Zone was introduced. I paid €55,20 for this instead of €66,60 for the first 3 rings.

But I used to have the 60+ ticket for the old "Inneraum" that cost less than €40 but was discontinued and the current 65+ M-Zone costs €52,70 (it was €49 something last year) so for both of us the €49 Deutschland ticket will be a saving and an opportunity to travel further without additional payment. I  echo @fraufruit and say that's a win, win!