German Nationality

[AliMo 0]

Dear Group Members,

 

Is there any new changes in the law to obtain passport to get Germany passport early than 8 years and requirements in German language? Thanks.

 

[almafreya 60]

There haven't been any new legislation yet.

 

https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/faqs/EN/topics/migration/staatsang/Erwerb_der_deutschen_Staatsbuergerschaft_durch_Eingbuergerung_en.html

 

 

This might interest you:

 

Spouses or registered same-sex partners of German citizens are eligible for naturalization after three years of legal residence in Germany. They must have been married or in a registered partnership for at least two years at the time of application. The general requirements for naturalization also apply.

[slammer 889]

A topic close to heart.

I‘m struggling with the idea of becoming a German. Mainly because I need to collect my pension from a number of EU countries in a few short years. And it seems they baulk at a (newly) non-EU citizen receiving a pension while living in the EU.

And I hate the idea of being forced to change my nationality.

[Bogies 6]

There's no reason for not applying for a German passport and citizenship. I became a German citizen in 2018,( been here since 1980) and the world is a lot easier. Boarding a plane in Germany, I show my German passport, getting off in Birmingham, I show the British one. Dealing with German authorities, I use the German nationality, when talking to Gov.UK. I use the British one. My German pension is paid to my bank account, the same as my British one. Having dual nationality has so many advantages.

[slammer 889]

1 hour ago, Bogies said:

There's no reason for not applying for a German passport and citizenship. I became a German citizen in 2018,( been here since 1980) and the world is a lot easier. Boarding a plane in Germany, I show my German passport, getting off in Birmingham, I show the British one. Dealing with German authorities, I use the German nationality, when talking to Gov.UK. I use the British one. My German pension is paid to my bank account, the same as my British one. Having dual nationality has so many advantages.

For me it´s more a case of one or the other. I have no ties anymore in the UK, no pension coming from there, a handful of relatives without closer contact and no reason to go back unless for vacation.

There is a last time for everything and any connection to the UK could be behind me.

[Fietsrad 426]

5 hours ago, slammer said:

A topic close to heart.

I‘m struggling with the idea of becoming a German. Mainly because I need to collect my pension from a number of EU countries in a few short years. And it seems they baulk at a (newly) non-EU citizen receiving a pension while living in the EU.

And I hate the idea of being forced to change my nationality.

Not sure if the Rentenversicherung has a problem with rights earned in different countries.

 

I subscribe to the DRV magazine "Zukunft Jetzt", read about someone who had worked in 15 different countries. The DRV managed to establish his contribution record. It is a huge organisation, doubtless there is quite a big department dealing with pensions for people who have worked in several countries.

[LeonG 14,850]

3 hours ago, Fietsrad said:

Not sure if the Rentenversicherung has a problem with rights earned in different countries.

 

I subscribe to the DRV magazine "Zukunft Jetzt", read about someone who had worked in 15 different countries. The DRV managed to establish his contribution record. It is a huge organisation, doubtless there is quite a big department dealing with pensions for people who have worked in several countries.

 

DRV sent me a letter after I had lived in Germany for 2 or 3 years asking who am I, where did I come from, where did I work before.  I sent them everything and they established that through working in other countries they are friendly with, I already have the 5 years of payments it takes to be eligible in Germany.  As far as I know, I'd still have to collect my pension from each country where I am eligible.  This was just to make sure I am eligible in Germany.  Of course since then I've spent many more years in Germany and am easily eligible based on having worked here.

[slammer 889]

On 2.1.2023, 18:47:52, Fietsrad said:

Not sure if the Rentenversicherung has a problem with rights earned in different countries.

 

I subscribe to the DRV magazine "Zukunft Jetzt", read about someone who had worked in 15 different countries. The DRV managed to establish his contribution record. It is a huge organisation, doubtless there is quite a big department dealing with pensions for people who have worked in several countries.

That with the DRV is a good idea I just sent a mail to them asking for help as to what I have to do.

Basically I am up a certain creek without propulsion in regards to my pension it would seem.

At least the money I paid into the first pillar in Switzerland is pretty clear, it is in a closed account and only accessible when I reach the age, I have been told that I will probably have to pay Swiss tax on it and also German tax; not too sure if a double taxation is legal and I will have to see. Malta, I have to have paid 10 years into the system to receive a Maltese pension. As I no longer live on MT I asked it the money I paid in is transferable. No, it´s not! That means I either have to work another three years on MT or pay three years of Beiträge to receive the pension. Denmark... Again you have to pay at least five years into the system to be eligible and live 10 years in DK to get your hands on it. This money is transferable to Germany... But only for EU citizens... Which, thanks to those... those... (the word I am looking for rhymes with banker) brexiteers, I no longer am.

Worked a few seasons in the ski areas of Austria, but the buggers did not register me to the authorities I later found out, so there is that.

Went to sea for a few years, so I will have to get in contact with the Seekasse. 

Had a few years as freelancer all over Europe without an address, that is going to be fun as all the papers literally went down with the ship. (A live aboard trawler I once owned that sank)

So, I do hope the DRV likes a challenge.

[optimista 5,925]

A lawyer needs to argue that you were an EU citizen when you made your contribs in DK and the rest was unforeseeable. Their pie is half baked. It needs to be used to your advantage. Unforeseen consequences beyond your influence. Also I imagine that there are Provisions for stuff lost at sea in the same way allowances are made for refugees fleeing war zones. But it needs arguing in court no doubt. Good luck. We ll need it.

[murphaph 9,843]

1 hour ago, slammer said:

That with the DRV is a good idea I just sent a mail to them asking for help as to what I have to do.

Basically I am up a certain creek without propulsion in regards to my pension it would seem.

At least the money I paid into the first pillar in Switzerland is pretty clear, it is in a closed account and only accessible when I reach the age, I have been told that I will probably have to pay Swiss tax on it and also German tax; not too sure if a double taxation is legal and I will have to see. Malta, I have to have paid 10 years into the system to receive a Maltese pension. As I no longer live on MT I asked it the money I paid in is transferable. No, it´s not! That means I either have to work another three years on MT or pay three years of Beiträge to receive the pension. Denmark... Again you have to pay at least five years into the system to be eligible and live 10 years in DK to get your hands on it. This money is transferable to Germany... But only for EU citizens... Which, thanks to those... those... (the word I am looking for rhymes with banker) brexiteers, I no longer am.

Worked a few seasons in the ski areas of Austria, but the buggers did not register me to the authorities I later found out, so there is that.

Went to sea for a few years, so I will have to get in contact with the Seekasse. 

Had a few years as freelancer all over Europe without an address, that is going to be fun as all the papers literally went down with the ship. (A live aboard trawler I once owned that sank)

So, I do hope the DRV likes a challenge.

Your minimum contribution periods in Malta and Denmark can be made up of periods of social insurance in the other country, at least while you were an EU citizen (the TCA protects accumulated pensions rights after Brexit). This is called a pro-rata pension and the DRV and the Maltese and Danish pensions authorities are obliged to perform all the calculations for you and between them provide you with the best pension available based on your combined record. Each state still pays you their bit once the calculation has been made but you might (for example) be entitled to a "full" pension from country x by combining the records and get nothing from country y because the "full" pension from x is worth more, just for example! EU law basically prohibits you being disadvantaged because you made use of freedom of movement during your working life. You will get your pension(s) but you must work with the DRV to help them cover as many gaps in your record as possible. What happens to your pension rights as a non-EU citizen since Brexit I don't know, but I assume that if you were resident here when Brexit hit then you are protected going forward also.

[slammer 889]

1 hour ago, optimista said:

A lawyer needs to argue that you were an EU citizen when you made your contribs in DK and the rest was unforeseeable. Their pie is half baked. It needs to be used to your advantage. Unforeseen consequences beyond your influence. Also I imagine that there are Provisions for stuff lost at sea in the same way allowances are made for refugees fleeing war zones. But it needs arguing in court no doubt. Good luck. We ll need it.

The woman at the MitID said that she did not know and I should call again after Heiligdreikönig.

[optimista 5,925]

Nobody will know till they invent it.