Tips on bathroom renovation

[RAMBO 103]

And your quote is for wall and floor tiles which is why it probably says 12m. If your getting a bath and a shower then you only have about 4 or 5 meters to tile on the floor the rest is for the wall tiles.

[almafreya 60]

10 minutes ago, RAMBO said:

The tiles come to 8.181 € in your quote there is probably about 1000 euro of materials tops, you should be doing that part yourelf, or hire someone else. I did all the tiling in my house, never did it before just watched loads of youtube videos. I bought all high quality tiles from a dedicated shop, not bauhaus shit. They lent me a high quality cutting machine for free and made holes in the tiles which went over the pipes for free. It helps if you have a 2nd bathroom so you don't have to rush. And before you buy the tiles measure everything and buy the tile size that fit best. But you have to work slow, and start in the right place and as I said the most important thing is work slow(no nagging wives mine did my head in).

 

The house was bought recently and we haven't moved in yet. We live an hour away and there is only 1 bathroom. DIY while not living there would take a long time, and DIY while living there would be very inconvenient. You're right, I'm sure I could do a lot of the work myself and in other circumstances I might.

[almafreya 60]

5 minutes ago, RAMBO said:

And your quote is for wall and floor tiles which is why it probably says 12m. If your getting a bath and a shower then you only have about 4 or 5 meters to tile on the floor the rest is for the wall tiles.

1 minute ago, almafreya said:

 

 

It says 12m all over the quote. I assume their software has ranges, and our 7m bathroom falls in that selected range. I'll find out when we have our next meeting.

[RAMBO 103]

21 hours ago, almafreya said:

We will be removing the following items from the quote:

- Demontage vom Bad, Fußbodenerwärmung, Deckenarbeiten Paneele

 

You will regret not getting underfloor heating(especially as your laying new estrich anyway) we have 1 bathroom with and one without, its better to get rid of the radiator then you will have more room in tha bathroom later for cupboards etc. I think there are two types one is foot warm or something and the other footboden you want the 2nd one, it will only be 4 or 5sqm as you are getting a shower and bath, will probably cost the same as a radiator anyway.

Also as they are laying new estrich this will take time to dryout to enable tiles to be layed (4-6 weeks) normally but as its such a small area it might be quicker not sure, but the cold weather won't help (the tile layer will have a moisture tester and a good tile

installer will not lay tiles until it reaches a certain level) . If you have sloping ceilings which normally means plasterboard it well get destroyed from the moisture as the estrich drys out.

 

Also just saw that your tile cost of 8.181 € did not include mwst so that 10,000 € that is crazy on such a small bathroom. 

[HH_Sailor 3,624]

If you have radiators on the walls, ensure the quote includes that the pipes come from the wall and not from the floor.

Floor to radiator pipes look unsightly and are dust traps. Catches the floor mop too.

 

Just my personal feeling 😳

[almafreya 60]

1 hour ago, RAMBO said:

 

You will regret not getting underfloor heating(especially as your laying new estrich anyway) we have 1 bathroom with and one without, its better to get rid of the radiator then you will have more room in tha bathroom later for cupboards etc. I think there are two types one is foot warm or something and the other footboden you want the 2nd one, it will only be 4 or 5sqm as you are getting a shower and bath, will probably cost the same as a radiator anyway.

Also as they are laying new estrich this will take time to dryout to enable tiles to be layed (4-6 weeks) normally but as its such a small area it might be quicker not sure, but the cold weather won't help (the tile layer will have a moisture tester and a good tile

installer will not lay tiles until it reaches a certain level) . If you have sloping ceilings which normally means plasterboard it well get destroyed from the moisture as the estrich drys out.

 

Also just saw that your tile cost of 8.181 € did not include mwst so that 10,000 € that is crazy on such a small bathroom. 

 

It isn't underfloor heating, it's electric mats that are laid under the tiles and ensure the tiles are warm, which is more pleasant on bare feet than cold tiles. The electic mats wouldn't be able to heat the entire room which is why the radiator is still required.

[almafreya 60]

19 minutes ago, HH_Sailor said:

If you have radiators on the walls, ensure the quote includes that the pipes come from the wall and not from the floor.

Floor to radiator pipes look unsightly and are dust traps. Catches the floor mop too.

 

Just my personal feeling 😳

 

Here is a pic of the current radiator. All the radiator pipes in the house are actually above the floor and the pipework enters and exits through the walls instead of the floor. I assume when the central heating was installed, the owners didn't want to take up the floor and dig in to the concrete floor just to lay some radiator pipes. Personally I don't mind exposed radiator pipes.

[fraufruit 42,165]

We quite enjoy our small bathroom radiator that is made for hanging wet towels. You could have a larger one. We keep a washable rug on the floor for stepping out of the shower on so wouldn't feel warm floors. The rest of the time, we wear houseshoes. We turn it on when we need it and off when we don't.

 

Our bathroom is small. Toilet is separate.

[almafreya 60]

2 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

We quite enjoy our small bathroom radiator that is made for hanging wet towels. You could have a larger one. We keep a washable rug on the floor for stepping out of the shower on so wouldn't feel warm floors. The rest of the time, we wear houseshoes. We turn it on when we need it and off when we don't.

 

Our bathroom is small. Toilet is separate.

 

Yes we also have a bathroom rug in front of the vanity and in front of the shower. Heated bathroom floors are a nice luxury, but I can happily live without.

 

In the UK, it use to popular to have carpeted bathrooms...

[mako1 864]

3 hours ago, HH_Sailor said:

If you have radiators on the walls, ensure the quote includes that the pipes come from the wall and not from the floor.

Floor to radiator pipes look unsightly and are dust traps. Catches the floor mop too.

 

Just my personal feeling 😳

 

And make sure you or someone with authority (and can speak german/polish) is there to require them to build it as in the contract. A lot of things get done because it is easier/quicker if you don't watch out. (Says the man  who has to live with gas pipes going around his kitchen floor because the drop ceiling was too much work...).

[mako1 864]

3 hours ago, almafreya said:

 

It isn't underfloor heating, it's electric mats that are laid under the tiles and ensure the tiles are warm, which is more pleasant on bare feet than cold tiles. The electic mats wouldn't be able to heat the entire room which is why the radiator is still required.

 

We have that and it is nice. But we asked a tile guy if he could replace tiles on the floor and keep the heating and he said these type of electric grid wire heaters will break at the mere mention of a Hilti (schlaghammer, the tool used to remove tiles). So you limit the renovation potential a bit (but not seriously). The serious bodenheizung is pipes embedded in the concrete and supposed to be re-tileable.

[RAMBO 103]

This cost about 5000 euro in total the only things in the room before I started were the radiator, toilet holder frame with cistern which is hidden behind the toilet, water connections for taps, waste pipes outlets, and the combi boiler which is inside the

cupboard I built in the second picture. I also skimmed over the cement plaster to make it smooth(I would have paid someone for that if I knew what a pain it was).

 

villeroy & boch mirror 1000 euro

villeroy & boch sink with under draw 900 euro

villeroy & boch toilet with soft close about 300 euro

And hoesch 190X90 acrylic bath 600 euro(well worth the money).

It took about 3 weeks, a few hours a day during the week and the whole weekends.

 

 

 

[almafreya 60]

40 minutes ago, RAMBO said:

This cost about 5000 euro in total the only things in the room before I started were the radiator, toilet holder frame with cistern which is hidden behind the toilet, water connections for taps, waste pipes outlets, and the combi boiler which is inside the

cupboard I built in the second picture. I also skimmed over the cement plaster to make it smooth(I would have paid someone for that if I knew what a pain it was).

 

villeroy & boch mirror 1000 euro

villeroy & boch sink with under draw 900 euro

villeroy & boch toilet with soft close about 300 euro

And hoesch 190X90 acrylic bath 600 euro(well worth the money).

It took about 3 weeks, a few hours a day during the week and the whole weekends.

 

 

 

 

That is a real clean looking bathroom. Great work. Throw some dark green paint on the walls and that's my goal bathroom. I hope your wife was grateful for your hard work! Did you consider staggering the wall tiles?

[fraufruit 42,165]

It is beautiful. Good job.

 

The tile layout was pretty simple. Not a lot of niches and corners.

 

Almafreya's is a lot more tile and a lot more complicated. Not for a newbie tile layer.

[lunasuenos 84]

Tile paint the walls..I have done 2 complete bathrooms they came out beutiful. I would reccommend semi gloss not gloss. I used obi brand. Covered ugly 1960 beige with flower prints. Took 2 coats. Just a wipe down with acetone first. And sand the tiles that had raised prints. Secret is to use a high quality micro foam roller. Yes it smells for  several days. Do the floors with solid vinyl click flooring they have beautiful stone patterns. But only 100% vinyl as its waterproof. Lay directly over old floor. You can use floor leveler first to fill the old grout lines. Although you can float it i glued mine. I would not paint the shower walls. You can also glue the click flooring to the walls match...a little complicated or buy thin panels that go over the tiles. Then just replace faucets, toilet etc. Also for vanity much cheaper to use a kitchen base cabinet, counter top and modify to size. German vanities are rediculously expensive for what you get. All in I have 2 k for 2 complete bathroom remodels...with all new faucets, cabinets etc and they look great. We get compliments all the time. If i can figure how to post a photo i will but cant reduce the size enough. My bathroom also has 2 layers of ceramic.

[fraufruit 42,165]

On 14/12/2022, 14:58:56, almafreya said:

We are planning on renovating our 7sqm bathroom. Complete tear out and new installation. New toilet, bathtub, shower, sink, furniture, tiles, radiator, plastering walls, ceiling etc.

 

My wife met with one local firm at the house who are going to provide an estimate within 2 weeks, and then a further meeting to discuss design specifics etc. They would coordinate the entire project and they have Handwerker on staff for plumbing, tiling, electrics etc. This sounds ideal as we don't want to coordinate the project ourselves, and we aren't interested in doing any DIY work on something as important as a bathroom.

 

The advice given to clear requests on TT are sometimes amazing.

[lunasuenos 84]

Disregard my post did not pay attention to the you dont want to DIY part. The price is about what my neighbor paid for about the same with fixtures

but that was 2 years ago pre inflation times. 

[Fietsrad 412]

More bathroom pictures please😉

[RAMBO 103]

On 12/20/2022, 6:32:27, almafreya said:

 

 Did you consider staggering the wall tiles?

No as I already did it on the floor, and also because the cuts on the tile would be seen unless you tile all the way round the room, then the cuts would be hidden in the corners after you add silicon.

 

Heres the main bathroom, in this one I just did the tiling, and granit window sill(all the germans said it was wrong and I should tile it instead, but as I love granit so I did it anyway looks much better.

Sink, bath just standard stuff like your quote shower tray is 120x90 with separate large shower head(about 300 euro extra)

Its a sliding shower door, but its a pain to clean so avoid sliding door if possible. 

Wall and floor tiles as per your quote, but I prefer the 50x20cm wall tiles in the dach bathroom.

 

[kiplette 8,712]

On 20/12/2022, 20:31:11, fraufruit said:

The advice given to clear requests on TT are sometimes amazing.

 

Thing being, it'll be useful to someone out there, so that's cool.

 

On 20/12/2022, 21:34:58, lunasuenos said:

Disregard my post did not pay attention to the you dont want to DIY part. 

 

Perfect instructions for me - mine is functional but a nasty colour, and I do not like the creation of unnecessary waste, so painting is a brilliant plan. Good to hear that it works.