Reichsbürger arrested attempting a coup d'etat

[MikeMelga 7,240]

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/reichsbuerger-razzia-terror-festnahmen-staatsstreich-bundestag-1.5710821

 

https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/polizeiaktion-reichsbuerger-razzia-bw-100.html

[fraufruit 41,931]

That is already being discussed in the Politics XYZ thread.

[AlexTr 19,718]

Yes, but it belongs here.

[RenegadeFurther 2,393]

I don`t get it.

 

Surely you must control the military, police and other bodies to have a coup.

 

What can you do by just walking into the Reichstag?

[Rushrush 286]

Did read much but the part about not recognizing the government and wanting to pay income taxes sounded awfully familiar!!!

 

Sovereign Citizens

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

[slammer 876]

2 hours ago, Rushrush said:

Did read much but the part about not recognizing the government and wanting to pay income taxes sounded awfully familiar!!!

 

Sovereign Citizens

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

Same coprophagues, different country.

[murphaph 9,638]

10 hours ago, RenegadeFurther said:

I don`t get it.

 

Surely you must control the military, police and other bodies to have a coup.

 

What can you do by just walking into the Reichstag?

They were actively trying to recruit serving police and military according to the Heute show on zdf this evening.

 

Even if their plans were doomed to fail, many people could have been killed in the process. 

[catjones 1,658]

Three thousand officers took part in 150 operations in 11 of Germany's 16 states, with two people arrested in Austria and Italy for a total of 25 arrests.  Remarkable.

[silty1 3,597]

9 hours ago, murphaph said:

They were actively trying to recruit serving police and military according to the Heute show on zdf this evening.

 

At what level of intensity, though? Could have been nothing more serious than our ol' pal Jeremy posting his QAnon ravings.  Oh wait... 

[snowingagain 5,186]

I was wondering if something  had been planned for 11 am today....

[kiplette 8,675]

2 hours ago, silty1 said:

At what level of intensity, though?

 

It has been a massive issue within the KSK to the extent that they have altered the way in which recruits are trained, and now move personnel around between the companies to prevent little terrorist love-nest groups from forming.

 

So although post these steps being taken (2020, I think) it would be harder to organise, the very fact that up until what feels like yesterday this stuff was going on suggests that there are plenty who are willing to do the nasty given the opportunity.

 

They are now very hot on political leanings during recruiting into the Bundeswehr, you will be glad to hear. Although tbf it's a bit like those questions which ask if you have ever been affiliated with a terrorist group or been a criminal, honestly how many people answer, yes, actually, me .

[murphaph 9,638]

2 hours ago, silty1 said:

 

At what level of intensity, though? Could have been nothing more serious than our ol' pal Jeremy posting his QAnon ravings.  Oh wait... 

I guess any level is worth investigating, right? I mean even if these fanatics were doomed to fail, how many people may they have taken to the grave with them in their attempt? Timothy McVeigh was one guy and he killed 168 people.

[catjones 1,658]

The Reichstag is a building, but the government is the elected officials.  Taking over a building does not seem like a coup to me.  Doing the takeover while in session and holding hostages might be an attempted coup; but not particularly well thought out.

[Conservator 11]

On 07/12/2022, 14:57:21, fraufruit said:

That is already being discussed in the Politics XYZ thread.

where is Politics threads in this forum, can you please link

 

Thanks

[john g. 37,683]

As fraufruit said!

[fraufruit 41,931]

https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/368183-politics-gen-xyz/

[Haisenberg 0]

more Africans and Arabs  in Germany and Europe  means new Hitler will be in power sooner!

[Metall 14,513]

Looks like a wacky German ex-aristocrat in Frankfurt was arrested, too. Heinrich Prince Reuss was supposed to rule Germany after the coup.

[AlexTr 19,718]

Journalist Annika Brockschmidt reports:

 

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Aspects of the plot—to storm the German parliament and take members hostage—seem to echo what some rioters had planned for members of Congress on January 6th. But while the German terror group was stopped before they could reach the steps of the Reichstag building in central Berlin on this occasion, their plans were even more extensive: For at least a year, as they had conspired to establish secure IT structures and communication channels, they conducted shooting drills, plotted the overthrow of the democratically elected government, and planned attacks on critical infrastructure like the power grid, in order to create civil-war like scenes. (Coincidentally, the power grid in Moore County, North Carolina had apparently been attacked just days earlier leaving around 40,000 people without power.)

 

That degree of plotting would be troubling in itself, to put it mildly. But there’s another aspect that makes these thwarted right-wing terror plans particularly frightening: This was no plot designed by your classical neo-Nazis: young, male, out of work, on the fringes of society. This was a terror plot planned by those the German media refers to as “the bourgeois center”—the middle of society—not its fringes. A judge and former MP, policemen and members of the military. 

 

Pia Lamberty is a trained psychologist and the CEO of the Center for Monitoring, Analysis and Strategy, a German non-profit inter-disciplinary think tank which combines expertise on conspiracy theories, disinformation, antisemitism and right-wing extremism. She explains that many still have faulty preconceptions of what a right-wing extremist looks like or what part of society they belong to: 

 

“There are many clichés about right-wing extremists. Often, these don’t represent reality: right-wing extremists are present in all parts and areas of society. To believe that academic credentials or a certain societal standing makes a person impervious to radicalisation is a fatal misconception and just plain wrong. We have to understand that right-wing extremism is part of society and emerges from all of its parts.” 

 

Parallels to January 6th are visible here as well where the rioters were older and from a higher social class than most right-wing terrorist have been to date, according to a survey conducted by the Atlantic. The men and women who stormed the Capitol had well-paying jobs, were middle-aged—and a concerning number were former members of the military and law enforcement. 

 

I suggest reading it all.

 

And to anyone who sought to downplay 1/6 in the US or this attempt here, please explain in detail why it is meaningless that so many active and former police and military participated in both. 

 

The fact that an AfD judge was involved is unsurprising and will likely lead to an escalation of the anti-constitutional activities of that hateful, extremist party. 

[slammer 876]

On 8.12.2022, 23:06:53, Metall said:

Looks like a wacky German ex-aristocrat in Frankfurt was arrested, too. Heinrich Prince Reuss was supposed to rule Germany after the coup.

That guy is unhinged with more than a few cables unhooked on the old patchpanel.