All things Tesla

[MikeMelga 7,346]

@fraufruit, yes, I use one pedal all the time, except for emergencies. You probably don't, because the Ioniq 5 doesn't do it well, it's the thing that pisses me off on that car, and i've done over 3000km on it.

@Krieg, let's go.

1) The side camera is not "defective". The early models had a light leakage, yes. The thing is, when those cars were sold, and for the following 3 years, there was no feature to view the side cameras. It was an OTA update that enabled the feature. Autopilot doesn't care about the light leakage, and the feature was not on the feature list when I bought the car.
So, no, no issue, and perfectly usable. Never taped it. Funny how people find big problems in cars they never used. I just got a new feature after many years

2) Yes, probably tesla could automatically use the brakes once in a while, that would be a nice feature. For me it's easy, I just brake hard a couple of times before TuV, then it passes. It's just a thin layer.

@murphap, the Zoe doesn't have a good one pedal driving. The issue is the one from Tesla is so good that it's rare to use the brakes if you drive normally.

[Krieg 15,112]

Thanks for your input Mike.

[fraufruit 42,699]

"@fraufruit, yes, I use one pedal all the time, except for emergencies. You probably don't, because the Ioniq 5 doesn't do it well, it's the thing that pisses me off on that car, and i've done over 3000km on it."

It works just fine. He prefers no-pedal or two-pedal driving.

If memory serves the Ioniq 5 you drive doesn't have Bluelink and is a different model than ours. Without Bluelink, the navigation doesn't work as well or voice command. I think one also can't get OTA updates without Bluelink. That would probably piss Himself off. We got some cool updates last week.

https://www.hyundai.com/eu/driving-hyundai/owning-a-hyundai/bluelink-connectivity.html

[murphaph 9,865]

It takes some phenomenal mental gymnastics to declare the worst place car (by quite a margin) as being some sort of media conspirarcy against Tesla. The TÜV conducted 12 million HUs in collecting this data. The numbers don't lie. 85% of 3 year old Tesla owners won't be affected, so it's statistically much more likely that Mike is in this cohort of satisfied customers than in the cohort of 15% where they are leaving with a failed car with a serious defect. The average failure rate for a serious defect in this age category is 5.3% so a Model 3 is getting on for three times more likely to fail for a serious defect than the average car. The Zoe was bang on the average by the way, so these things are not all down to the nature of EVs. Tesla needs to do some engineering and eliminate the problems that cause these defects. A simple OTA software upgrade could eliminate the brakes issue. Why hasn't Tesla already done this?

[toBnruG 1,177]

Want your filthy, old car to pass emissions tests? Easy, run the engine nice and hot before going to the testing station.
Want your EV to pass TÜV? Easy, just clean the otherwise non-performing braking system on your way to the testing station.
Want your fleet of non-regulation diesel cars to comply with EU emission regulations? Easy, just add a test-mode to the engine management software so that it emits less when they're running the tests.

Life can be so easy if you do just enough so that nobody finds out. Who needs brakes on their car except during TÜV anyway? If a child runs out in front of your shitty car with rusted brakes then it's their fault you couldn't stop in time...

[catjones 1,719]

"If a child runs out in front of your shitty car with rusted brakes then it's their fault you couldn't stop in time..."

Wow. What a conclusion, not to mention the steps leading up to it.

[snowingagain 5,470]

Wow. What a conclusion.

[Keleth 9,348]

"1) The side camera is not "defective". The early models had a light leakage, yes. The thing is, when those cars were sold, and for the following 3 years, there was no feature to view the side cameras. It was an OTA update that enabled the feature. Autopilot doesn't care about the light leakage, and the feature was not on the feature list when I bought the car."

You´re supposed to be one of these people who raves about manufacturing costs and profit yet you find nothing strange in them adding something to a car that was not intended to be used. Adding something that is not intended to be used even if a minor cost is an incredible waste of money.
You do realise that manufacturers cut costs on their cars even if it´s only 2 or 3 cents because 2 or 3 cents pro car works out a lot of money over the lifetime.
You go on about Tesla making the most profit per car built so there is no way those cameras were not going to be a feature.

[Keleth 9,348]

""If a child runs out in front of your shitty car with rusted brakes then it's their fault you couldn't stop in time..."

Wow. What a conclusion, not to mention the steps leading up to it."

Overly dramatic conclusion but he´s right in what he says.
Why does it matter that those 3 things are dangerous/unlawful if there is an easy way to get them through the test without actually making them less dangerous/unlawful and then after the test they go back to being dangerous/unlawful?

[Krieg 15,112]

Evidence shows that Elon Musk knew Tesla's Autopilot system was faulty but still let cars run, judge says

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-aware-of-tesla-autopilot-defect-driver-death-judge-2023-11

[murphaph 9,865]

That could be the end of Musk if the case can be proven.

[tor 17,547]

I hope Musk buys Chick Fiil A and Hobby Lobby next :)

[catjones 1,719]

"Why does it matter that those 3 things are dangerous/unlawful if there is an easy way to get them through the test without actually making them less dangerous/unlawful and then after the test they go back to being dangerous/unlawful?"

I don't think surface oxidation (something that can be removed with a brush) is " dangerous/unlawful ". If that were the case, all mfg would have to change over to carbon ceramic rotors because of the "danger".

Every found defect was not a defect before it became a defect. If a defect is repaired and passes some test, that same defect could return in the future and be found again.
Does the test center issue some sort of fine if the defect is found more than once?

[toBnruG 1,177]

"I don't think surface oxidation (something that can be removed with a brush) is " dangerous/unlawful "."

And yet this is a frequent cause of some cars failing their inspections. As an owner of a car which is parked outside and infrequently driven, I know very well that surface rust on the brake discs significantly reduces braking performance. That's why the first thing I do when driving my car after a long pause is to brake away the corrosion.

[catjones 1,719]

"significantly reduces braking performance. "

another unsubstantiated claim.

Don't forget to wear your helmet.

[murphaph 9,865]

It does though. Our car is the same if it's been standing for a couple of humid weeks.

[keith2011 2,707]

"I know very well that surface rust on the brake discs significantly reduces braking performance."

Wonder why car manufactures don't use that new non rusting wonder metal, stainless steel, that has been around for even cheap cookware for 50 years or more 😏🙄and is used for disk brakes on motorbikes and bicycles?

[catjones 1,719]

There are ceramic/carbon fiber brake discs and pads for those who fear for their lives and those around them.

[MikeMelga 7,346]

@murphaph, not only you're not substantiating anything, you forget an EV brakes quite well without brakes... the regenerative braking is extremely good.
So good I can drive for a long time without using normal brakes.

Also, response time is much better, as I don't need to move my foot from one pedal to the next. The millisecond I remove the foot from the acceleration, the braking starts. This saves me probably half a second of reaction time, meaning several tens of meters of faster braking compared with an ICE, depending on speed.

Haters will hate.

EDIT:
https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/eng-2020-0004/pdf
Time to switch between pedals between 250 and 633ms.
Assuming equal time between removing one foot and placing on the brake, at 60km/h this means 4m to 10,5m savings on braking distance.

[Keleth 9,348]

"@murphaph, not only you're not substantiating anything, you forget an EV brakes quite well without brakes... the regenerative braking is extremely good."

You sure?

"@fraufruit, yes, I use one pedal all the time, except for emergencies. You probably don't, because the Ioniq 5 doesn't do it well, it's the thing that pisses me off on that car, and i've done over 3000km on it."