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[MikeMelga 7,346]

@catjones, 3 days

[MikeMelga 7,346]

@murphaph
Lots of bullshit going on regarding "reliability". Each source makes their own criteria.
The only thing Tesla "needs to sort out" is starting to pay for advertisement so that the media stops making up shit.

Last year they were one of the most reliable in Germany.
https://insideevs.com/news/667690/tesla-model-3-reliability-adac-index-2022/

Here is the source. Order the table by the year you want to analyze.
Clearly the Tesla Model 3 is VERY reliable according to ADAC.
https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/unfall-schaden-panne/adac-pannenstatistik/

Why don't they write about how shitty the Toyota RAV4 is?

[murphaph 9,865]

The report in question is from the TÜV itself. They are using their own data, which states that 15% of 3 year old Model 3s have serious defects when presented for the Hauptuntersuchung, which is the worst placed car in the list. That's not a place Tesla wants to be. If you don't think Tesla needs to sort this out then I can't really help you. You can't PR your way out of last place on the list.

[tor 17,545]

Swedish dock workers are refusing to unload Teslas, because of its anti-union policies. Mail delivery could soon stop as well to Tesla addresses.

[MikeMelga 7,346]

The report mentions the exact same problems we mentioned. The rusty pads is NOT a "serious defect", and you can clean them with hard braking once in a while. This is a common issue with EVs, because you rarely use the brakes!

Each one is choosing the metrics they want, fact is, in the end, real life problems are causing other drivers to be stopped on the road much more often, as you can see from ADAC.

[murphaph 9,865]

15% of 3 year old Tesla owners are leaving the HU with a fail and being told to get the car fixed before a Plakat will be issued. That's the problem. It's the worst placed 3 year old car on the list (by a fair margin) and once again, not all EVs are presenting with the brake issues. The Zoe, which placed 44th on the list does not seem to have this problem. The brakes issue is a serious defect if you need to stop suddenly and they don't respond!

[Krieg 15,112]

> Each one is choosing the metrics they want

You speak the truth. For example, when the suspension problems was mentioned, your reply is "Mine had a suspension problem and the repair was 170 EUR". You decided the problem is minimal because in your case it didn't cost you much. But first it should not have happened at all and second your problem is the most simple and probably the cheapest one to solve.

P.S., Was your side camera replaced under warranty or did you have to "fix it" by taping the case holes leaking light? I bet you taped it. Fixing problems in a new car with tape is sad.

[fraufruit 42,695]

"This is a common issue with EVs, because you rarely use the brakes!"

Am I correct in assuming that this is the case when one uses one pedal drive all the time? Himself is not a big fan.

[Keleth 9,348]

"The rusty pads is NOT a "serious defect", and you can clean them with hard braking once in a while. This is a common issue with EVs, because you rarely use the brakes!"

It´s enough of an issue for the TÜV.
Don´t you think Tesla and other EV manufacturers should maybe inform their customers of this to save those customers falling through the TÜV.

"Each one is choosing the metrics they want, fact is, in the end, real life problems are causing other drivers to be stopped on the road much more often, as you can see from ADAC."

Are you actually accusing the TÜV of highlighting these failures to make Tesla look bad?
As you replied to it by stating "The report mentions the exact same problems we mentioned." which is the report from the TÜV itself then we have to assume you are.

Your unadulterated drooling devotion to Tesla is utterly amazing. You cannot even admit the most minor mistake on their part.

[Keleth 9,348]

"P.S., Was your side camera replaced under warranty or did you have to "fix it" by taping the case holes leaking light? I bet you taped it. Fixing problems in a new car with tape is sad."

100% this.

You would not believe some of the minute mistakes customers will report to manufacturers and want repaired/replaced. We´re talking stuff you need a magnifying glass to see, if you´ve spent 80k and up on a car then it´s no wonder people complain.
So to just brush off a problem or fix it with tape is laughable.

"For example, when the suspension problems was mentioned, your reply is "Mine had a suspension problem and the repair was 170 EUR". You decided the problem is minimal because in your case it didn't cost you much. But first it should not have happened at all and second your problem is the most simple and probably the cheapest one to solve."

Bit confused by this, seems there is a defect or something with one of the parts or how it was built yet the customer is still expected to pay for the repair?

"Why don't they write about how shitty the Toyota RAV4 is?"

Because when a company and especially it´s fans declare their company to be the dogs bollocks and the future then why would the media report on other Manufacturers problems. It´s Tesla lovers that read all this sort of stuff.

It would be like the sports media not talking about Man City problems but writing about Sunday league teams instead.

[Keleth 9,348]

"Himself is not a big fan"

Now you´re going to get a lecture on how your husband needs to learn to drive an EV properly and how that is the only way to drive it.

[Krieg 15,112]

> So to just brush off a problem or fix it with tape is laughable.

Problem is you can't bush it off, the camera might malfunction due to the light leaking through the holes. It is a design problem. Well, it was, they have fixed the case in the newer models.

[Keleth 9,348]

"Problem is you can't bush it off,"
You can´t brush it off but you can certainly make excuses for it and excuse the manufacturer, as shown by this thread.

I can understand having passion for something for example sports, family stuff etc but not for a car manufacturer, certainly not enough passion to make me forgive, no not just forgive but excuse mistakes they make especially when they cost me money.

[Keleth 9,348]

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[Krieg 15,112]

You have to consider that cameras are important in EVs, specially in Teslas, an even more now that Tesla relies exclusively in cameras. A non-working camera might be a safety issue.

[Krieg 15,112]

> The Zoe, which placed 44th on the list does not seem to have this problem. The brakes issue is a serious defect if you need to stop suddenly and they don't respond!

If the problem in the Teslas is corrosion due to not braking enough, that can be easily be fixed by software. A 2014 BMW i3 has "Brake cleaning mode", if you haven't used your brakes enough for a couple of weeks the car itself takes care of it. The question is why Teslas do not have something like that, probably braking once a day is enough.

[fraufruit 42,695]

"I can understand having passion for something for example sports, family stuff etc but not for a car manufacturer"

Many people swear by their favorite car brand. Know any Beemer drivers, for example?

[catjones 1,719]

"Many people swear by their favorite car brand. Know any Beemer drivers, for example?"
or just about any car purchased and driven by a male. Car clubs, car auctions, car collectors, car shows, car magazines, car discussion groups

[catjones 1,719]

"The older Model 3, including mine, have a lubrication issue on the suspension. I had it in September. Started squeaking.
Took it to service center, they replaced a part on each front wheel, 170€ for the whole service!"

Gee, Mike, was it out of warranty? If this happened with a non-Tesla that was out of warranty, would they charge less? Do you think that maybe, just maybe, Tesla (like all manufacturers of all products) keeps track of reported defects and works to resolve in future models? I bet your problem doesn't show up in a 2024 Model 3. Unlike all other EVs, Tesla's first cars were not perfect. If you don't believe me, just read this entire post. Rust on the brake disks, oh my. The driver could drive around the block and hit the brakes at each corner, come back to TUV and pass the test?

[MikeMelga 7,346]

Was out of warranty for 3 months. Still, only 170€.

The issue is that the hood has a drain canal, like all hoods, but if the flow is too high (lots of rain) the jet out of the canal goes into the joint, which over times loses the lube, taken away by the water. And unfortunately the joint is not serviceable, but still the cost was very, very low.

The problem with this design issue is that it takes years to show. In my case, just over 4 years.