Need to update Unbefristet Aufenthaltstitel ?

[jpi 0]

Hello Toytown Germany,

      Up front, thanks for the help.   Let me make this short so people are able to easily answer.

 

My employer is saying that I have to update my Aufenthaltstitel.  

 

I have an UN-befristet Aufenthaltstitel, am married to a German, lived here permanently since 2011.  However, the passport listed on my Aufenthaltstitel expired. I have a new Passport, but did not update the Aufenthaltstitel card.  

 

Do I need to update my Aufenthaltstitel in order to re-enter the EU?

(My Aufenthaltstitel card has "unbefristet" written on it, and my new passport is valid).

 

Anybody in the same situation?

 

Again, note, that my employer contacted me, and not the Ausländerbehörde.

Another note, I plan to visit the USA in October.

 

thanks in advance,

 

[mako1 864]

I was in the same situation and the end result is you will be fingerprinted and pay €60 euros to get a Elektronischer Aufenthaltstitel (eAT) that is not an ausweis. The UN-befristet Aufenthaltstitel has been replaced by eATs which, contrary to what you will be told, does expire if you don't pay to update it.

 

https://www.bamf.de/DE/Themen/MigrationAufenthalt/ZuwandererDrittstaaten/Migrathek/eAufenthaltstitel/eaufenthaltstitel-node.html

 

Using your old passport with the NE along with your new passport will no longer demonstrate you have the right of residence for Germany.

 

I find it annoying. Gandhi was on Arte a while ago and you can hear Ben Kingsley objecting to being fingerprinted, to maintain his work visa, in the video below.

 

Basically, unbefristete has been redefined.

 

 

 

[kaffeemitmilch 1,295]

You do need to renew your permit, yes. There's a note at the bottom that says it is valid as long as the passport is valid. If you can't renew it in time, you will likely be fine to leave and re-enter, but you should aim to get it renewed. Email the ABH for an appointment.

[kaffeemitmilch 1,295]

16 minutes ago, mako1 said:

I was in the same situation and the end result is you will be fingerprinted and pay €60 euros to get a Elektronischer Aufenthaltstitel (eAT) that is not an ausweis. The UN-befristet Aufenthaltstitel has been replaced by eATs which, contrary to what you will be told, does expire if you don't pay to update it.

 

https://www.bamf.de/DE/Themen/MigrationAufenthalt/ZuwandererDrittstaaten/Migrathek/eAufenthaltstitel/eaufenthaltstitel-node.html

 

Using your old passport with the NE along with your new passport will no longer demonstrate you have the right of residence for Germany.

 

I find it annoying.

 

Basically, unbefristete has been redefined.

 

Not sure I get the Gandhi link.

[mako1 864]

Ben Kingsley, as the young attorney in South Africa is objecting to being 'fingerprinted like criminals', among other complaints.

[jpi 0]

5 hours ago, mako1 said:

I was in the same situation and the end result is you will be fingerprinted and pay €60 euros to get a Elektronischer Aufenthaltstitel (eAT) that is not an ausweis. The UN-befristet Aufenthaltstitel has been replaced by eATs which, contrary to what you will be told, does expire if you don't pay to update it.

 

https://www.bamf.de/DE/Themen/MigrationAufenthalt/ZuwandererDrittstaaten/Migrathek/eAufenthaltstitel/eaufenthaltstitel-node.html

 

Using your old passport with the NE along with your new passport will no longer demonstrate you have the right of residence for Germany.

 

I find it annoying. Gandhi was on Arte a while ago and you can hear Ben Kingsley objecting to being fingerprinted, to maintain his work visa, in the video below.

 

Basically, unbefristete has been redefined.

 

 

 

Hallo @mako1 Thanks for the information.  How long did it take you to get an appointment at the ABH?  How long to get your eAT?    (I would like to fly to the USA on Oct 8)

[jpi 0]

5 hours ago, kaffeemitmilch said:

You do need to renew your permit, yes. There's a note at the bottom that says it is valid as long as the passport is valid. If you can't renew it in time, you will likely be fine to leave and re-enter, but you should aim to get it renewed. Email the ABH for an appointment.

@kaffeemitmilch. Thanks for the information.  How long did it take you to get your eTA?   (I did contact them a month ago, and never heard anything. I contacted them today again)

[jpi 0]

Also as a note to anybody who finds this. My Card says that I have a "Niederlassungserlaubnis".  Does that make a difference?

[kaffeemitmilch 1,295]

12 hours ago, jpi said:

Also as a note to anybody who finds this. My Card says that I have a "Niederlassungserlaubnis".  Does that make a difference?

So does mine

 

Does yours look like this:  Kann ich als Student die Niederlassungserlaubnis beantragen? (graske.net) ? If so, at the bottom, it says 'Gultig bis xx.xx.xxxx'. There is no other expiry date on the card - that is the expiry date. The new updated card actually has a card expiry date, and it's the date my passport expires. Unfortunately, the Germans link your entire life to the validity of your identity document...

 

I think it took about 5 weeks to get my card, so you might still get it. In Frankfurt, they sent it by post due to COVID. In any case, I don't think it's a problem to travel with an expired settlement permit.

[jpi 0]

1 hour ago, kaffeemitmilch said:

So does mine

 

Does yours look like this:  Kann ich als Student die Niederlassungserlaubnis beantragen? (graske.net) ? If so, at the bottom, it says 'Gultig bis xx.xx.xxxx'. There is no other expiry date on the card - that is the expiry date. The new updated card actually has a card expiry date, and it's the date my passport expires. Unfortunately, the Germans link your entire life to the validity of your identity document...

 

I think it took about 5 weeks to get my card, so you might still get it. In Frankfurt, they sent it by post due to COVID. In any case, I don't think it's a problem to travel with an expired settlement permit.

Thanks @kaffeemitmilch My Card has something similar.   I scheduled something with the ABH in Hamburg, but have not heard back from them for 1 month now.  Nothing.

[kaffeemitmilch 1,295]

14 minutes ago, jpi said:

Thanks @kaffeemitmilch My Card has something similar.   I scheduled something with the ABH in Hamburg, but have not heard back from them for 1 month now.  Nothing.

Can't help you there... but like I said, I don't think you will get in trouble if you travel with your old card, old passport and new passport. Just explain at the border that there are no appointments.

 

In any case, try to call them, and email again with the word URGENT in the subject line.

[jpi 0]

In case anybody finds this thread, and wants some followup information.  The Ausländerbehörde in Wandsbek/Hamburg wrote me "Der elektronische Aufenthaltstitel- egal ob dieser befristet oder unbefristet (Niederlassungserlaubnis) ist-  ist immer an die Passgültigkeit angeglichen."

 

So yes, I need to update my Aufenthaltstitel 

[msnys 9]

2 hours ago, jpi said:

In case anybody finds this thread, and wants some followup information. The Immigration Office in Wandsbek/Hamburg wrote me " The electronic residence permit - regardless of whether it is limited or unlimited (settlement permit) - is always aligned with the validity of the passport."

 

So yes, I need to update my Aufenthaltstitel 

i am sort of in the same situation as you are right now in Munich, I applied a month ago and still no reply and my permit expires tomorrow! there is no chance of getting them on the phone so I sent another contact form. I am wondering if people are allowed to stay in Germany with an expired residence permit especially when it is not our fault in the first place for not getting a renewal appointment soon enough

[Long Island Duckling 115]

I renewed my (American) passport in 2018. Appointments to get the new Aufenthalts- or Niederlassungserlaubnis card weren’t available. I continued to simply show my old passport with the Aufenthaltserlaubnis along with my new passport when traveling. I had no problems, but getting the new card was on my to-do list.

 

Then the pandemic began. My husband and I flew back and forth between the US and Germany every 3 months, and have continued to do so since then. We have become caretakers for my 88 yr old father in New York, but my husband doesn’t have a US green card, so we have to leave the country every 90 days. 
 

 I still don’t have a new AE card, and continue to show my old and new passport when reentering Germany.  Not once have I been questioned. It has been accepted every single time - up till and including last Saturday, August 27 - without a blink of an eye or any problem whatsoever.

 

I’ll get the new card at some point, I suppose. Perhaps appointments will be available one day, maybe even before I have to get a new passport in 2028?!

 

So if you don’t have the new card yet, my experience is to not worry about it and the old passport with the sticker will be accepted.