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Are there any conscientious doctors in Berlin?

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I've been here for just shy of 5 years and I'm so frustrated with the medical system. I feel like no doctor ever takes the time to truly listen to what I'm saying and I'm always being rushed out so they can get to the next patient. I don't think I've ever seen my house doctor for more than 5 minutes at a time and it's not much better at the specialist who treats my asthma. I could deal with the bad bedside manner if not for the fact that nothing ever gets done. I never feel taken seriously and always feel like the doctors are just looking for the easiest answer, even when it doesn't fit or they just assume I'm exaggerating. 

 

I've been struggling with severe eye pain for a few months now and I've seen 3 different opthalmologists in the last 2 weeks, one of them private, one the emergency clinic because I couldn't handle the pain anymore and the last one a public opthalmologist because I can't keep throwing money at private doctors. Each one (including the private doctor) ruled out the basics, rushed the appointment and gave me a different diagnosis. When I ask questions about whether it could be something serious like an inflamed nerve or neurological issue (because you know, that kind of thing runs in my family), I'm treated like an idiot and told "it's very unlikely". So I've got 3 different diagnoses, an eyeball that feels like it's going to explode in my head and no idea where to go next.

 

I wish I could say that this kind of thing is abnormal, but it's simply what I've come to expect from doctors in Berlin. Wait till they find out you have depression or something like anxiety disorder. I was once sent home without the doctor even touching me, because the excruciating pain in my abdomen was "all in my mind", which turned out not to be the case when the emergency house doctor came by the house later that night and found that I had a torn muscle.

 

Please tell me I've just had bad luck and this isn't par for the course for German doctors? Or failing that, does anybody have any recommendations for decent GPs in Berlin who actually listen to the patient and won't have a diagnosis ready before I've even finished my first sentence? I often joke with my husband that I'm going to die of some preventable illness because the doctors here won't bother checking for it, but it would be pretty sad if that did actually happen. And I have unfortunately heard of some patients, especially women, whose doctors brushed them off, only for them to later be diagnosed with something serious.

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If there's a chance to go back to your home country for a problem this serious (and if you think you'll get better care), then I'd make an appointment and go.  It's your eye.

 

The other suggestion is: I always ask, "How long should I wait in pain until the condition starts to get better before I return to you?"  Make an appointment for that date, unless it's some stupid date, like a month.  If he says that, then ask him for a referral...aka you don't know what you're doing.

 

Because of low pay, there's been a drain on german doctors to other countries.  Which leave first?

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I can write a book on all the negatives. What i can strongly recommend is go to poland and pay yourself...its not expensive at all. The drs in my opinion  are better there and they take there time, well at least because you would be paying. My wife had a endoscopy and bloodwork as well as a long gastro consult..total cost around 200 euros. Dr spent nearly a hour with her. You can look up on line and schedule all you need done. We went to a clinic in poznan but think a bigger place in warsaw or krackow would be even better. I could give you a referral for a very good polish opthamologist in germany but she is in clausthal in the harz

 

 

 

 

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Conscientious doctors in Berlin? LOL!

 

I had a private practicing doctor sneak a ficticious treatment on my bill for $180. And I knew it was ficticious because I wasn't even in Germany on the date of the supposed treatment. He refused to remove it from the bill, I refused to pay it, and had to deal with harassing letters from his billing company which ultimately ended up in us going to court (I won, but still!)

 

Doctors are no better than lawyer...souless and greasier than a race track

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Generally, I would say that German medical practices measure with the best worldwide. Continuing to have access to German healthcare, is a major factor for some (German) friends of mine, who've been thinking of emigrating. Mind you, if you go to Mallorca or elsewhere beloved of German visitors, there will be an adequate supply of German doctors. 

That said, I agree that most Hausarzten don't overdo the small talk, and keep you very much on the specifics of your case. I don't think I've had an appointment lasting more than 5 minutes either.  I'm willing to accept that, as long as the advice is competent and accurate. 

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On 1.7.2022, 20:40:35, alexunterwegs said:

I'm willing to accept that, as long as the advice is competent and accurate. 

 

That's the problem for me. I often feel like they don't explain anything or gloss over the details. Whenever they do diagnostic like bloodwork and the like, I never know what exactly we are testing for and I have to drag details out of them. Maybe it's just a cultural difference, but in my home country if they were doing bloodwork for something specific, the doctor would tell me "we tested for this, everything was fine, so we can rule out X, Y and Z". Over here it's just "die Werte waren alle in Ordnung. Tshüüüüß. Der Nächste, bitte!" And then it's not even always true. Last year we did some bloodwork and he told me everything was fine, then when I asked "Vitamin D auch?" he gave it another look, told me that it's actually too low and put me on 20000IU supplements for a few weeks.

 

I don't want to hate on the medical system in general, because I've seen how good it can be in emergencies. I burned the hell out of my skin a few years ago and the care I got at the emergency hospital was world-class. I was actually sad to leave the hospital at the end of my stay. The non-emergency, everyday stuff is where I feel they drop the ball a bit.

 

I might take lunasuenos' advice and pop over to Poland for bigger issues in the future. I'd hop on a plane to my home country in a second if I had the funds, but medical care there is expensive and I just can't afford it right now. 

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7 hours ago, Zoopy said:

That's the problem for me. I often feel like they don't explain anything or gloss over the details. Whenever they do diagnostic like bloodwork and the like, I never know what exactly we are testing for and I have to drag details out of them. Maybe it's just a cultural difference, but in my home country if they were doing bloodwork for something specific, the doctor would tell me "we tested for this, everything was fine, so we can rule out X, Y and Z". Over here it's just "die Werte waren alle in Ordnung. Tshüüüüß. Der Nächste, bitte!" And then it's not even always true. Last year we did some bloodwork and he told me everything was fine, then when I asked "Vitamin D auch?" he gave it another look, told me that it's actually too low and put me on 20000IU supplements for a few weeks.

 

When I get bloodworks here, I sometimes ask them, are you testing for X, Y, Z and they'll tell me.  When I book the appointment for bloodworks, I will ask them can you please test for X, Y, Z, if I think they should.  Sometimes they'll tell me yes and sometimes they'll tell me they can't because they are not that type of Dr.  Recently I had to have bloodworks at 3 different doctors to get everything that I needed.

 

Once the results are in, you can go there and ask for a copy.  I've never been denied a copy and they don't even ask me to pay for it.

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7 hours ago, Zoopy said:

 

That's the problem for me. I often feel like they don't explain anything or gloss over the details. Whenever they do diagnostic like bloodwork and the like, I never know what exactly we are testing for and I have to drag details out of them. Maybe it's just a cultural difference, but in my home country if they were doing bloodwork for something specific, the doctor would tell me "we tested for this, everything was fine, so we can rule out X, Y and Z". Over here it's just "die Werte waren alle in Ordnung. Tshüüüüß. Der Nächste, bitte!" And then it's not even always true. Last year we did some bloodwork and he told me everything was fine, then when I asked "Vitamin D auch?" he gave it another look, told me that it's actually too low and put me on 20000IU supplements for a few weeks.

 

I don't want to hate on the medical system in general, because I've seen how good it can be in emergencies. I burned the hell out of my skin a few years ago and the care I got at the emergency hospital was world-class. I was actually sad to leave the hospital at the end of my stay. The non-emergency, everyday stuff is where I feel they drop the ball a bit.

 

I might take lunasuenos' advice and pop over to Poland for bigger issues in the future. I'd hop on a plane to my home country in a second if I had the funds, but medical care there is expensive and I just can't afford it right now. 

 

I always ask for a print out of all results.

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I don't find German doctors any less conscientious than those in the U.K. where I lived for most of my life, though I'd agree that things often don't get explained well enough. That isn't particular to the health system, I find that to be a general German problem applying to most public institutions and organisations. I'm happy with my GP and I had two accidents resulting in broken bones over the last couple of years. The care I received was mostly excellent, with the exception of one emergency doctor I encountered last year who was a cretin. But I've similarly encountered "bad apples" like that in the U.K. and in other countries, you will come those anywhere.

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As to the OP, I've had pains for which doctors have found no cause, last time it was a sensitivity to heat which gave me a bad tooth ache. I went to three dentists, nobody found anything wrong with my teeth and I don't think it was because they didn't care, they genuinely couldn't find the cause. It went away by itself after a few months, these things happen. I had a few painful conditions of uncertain origin throughout my life and they can be caused by things like stress or anxiety. You could try and find a doctor for psychosomatic medicine.

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1 hour ago, Herr Schnitzel said:

three dentists,

 

1 hour ago, Herr Schnitzel said:

they genuinely couldn't find the cause. It went away by itself after a few months

Many years ago, I had a similar situation.  The difference was that my dentist suggested I see my GP who immediately detected a     sinus infection.  Gave me antibiotics and it was gone.   A good dentist would see the connection.

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1 hour ago, Herr Schnitzel said:

three dentists,

 

1 hour ago, Herr Schnitzel said:

they genuinely couldn't find the cause. It went away by itself after a few months

Many years ago, I had a similar situation.  The difference was that my dentist suggested I see my GP who immediately detected a     sinus infection.  Gave me antibiotics and it was gone.   A good dentist would see the connection.

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19 hours ago, catjones said:

 

Many years ago, I had a similar situation.  The difference was that my dentist suggested I see my GP who immediately detected a     sinus infection.  Gave me antibiotics and it was gone.   A good dentist would see the connection.

 

The difference was that it's a different case.

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