The War in Ukraine

[Krieg 15,039]

Just now, jeba said:

Your analgy misses the part where you get your family to safety before you call the police.

 

That's the most pathetic rebuttal I've read in a very long time.  Even for an appeaser. 

[jeba 4,364]

8 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

That's the most pathetic rebuttal I've read in a very long time.  Even for an appeaser. 

What's pathetic is your disdain for your wife and children.

[Krieg 15,039]

27 minutes ago, jeba said:

What's pathetic is your disdain for your wife and children.

 

 

Man you suck.  I can have a more mature discussion with my 12 years old kid.

 

[jeba 4,364]

11 hours ago, Krieg said:

 

 

Man you suck.  I can have a more mature discussion with my 12 years old kid.

 

That coming from someone whose postings are as mature, substantiated and highly sophisticated as those below is a bit rich, don´t you think?

 

12 hours ago, Krieg said:

 

That's the most pathetic rebuttal I've read in a very long time.  Even for an appeaser. 

 

On 27/02/2023, 15:18:03, Krieg said:

If Türkiye invades Cyprus @jeba will appease and will GLADLY move out of his house and GTFO in the name of the greater good.   Nice fellow.

[Wulfrun 23,285]

Is there any way to block jeba when someone quotes him? Please...

[fraufruit 42,209]

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Sergey Lavrov, Russia's top diplomat and a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, at a conference in India Thursday said that the war in Ukraine "was launched against us," prompting the crowd to erupt in laughter.

Lavrov was a speaker at India's G20 Summit in New Delhi, leading a session that was part of a "Raisina Dialogue 2023" series. He was in discussion with Sunjoy Joshi, Chairman of the Observer Research Foundation in India, and took questions from the audience.

One audience member asked Lavrov: "How the war has affected Russia's strategy on energy, and will it mark a privilege toward Asia? And if it does, how is India going to feature in it?"

"You know, the war, which we are trying to stop, which was launched against us, using the..." Lavrov began, before being cut off by loud laughter from the crowd.

"...The Ukrainian people, uh, of course, influenced..." Lavrov tried again, before being cut off by more laughter and a shout of "Come on!" from the crowd.

He went on to say that the war has influenced the energy policy in Russia and that they "would not rely on any partners" going forward.

 

 

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[keith2011 2,648]

Not going so well these days.

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The UK Ministry of Defence said Bakhmut is under "increasingly severe" pressure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64837699

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[mako1 864]

On 27.2.2023, 14:18:03, Krieg said:

If Türkiye invades Cyprus @jeba will appease and will GLADLY move out of his house and GTFO in the name of the greater good.   Nice fellow.

I assume jeba lives in a villa 'liberated' by the turkish invasion and is happy not to acknowledge it was stolen from some greek cypriot. That would be right up his alley. Great price, so who cares if the old owners were forced out by a coup... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/dec/23/turkey.cyprus

 

[snowingagain 5,361]

14 hours ago, mako1 said:

I assume jeba lives in a villa 'liberated' by the turkish invasion and is happy not to acknowledge it was stolen from some greek cypriot. That would be right up his alley. Great price, so who cares if the old owners were forced out by a coup...

Your history seems a bit rusty.  The Cypriot coup was backed by the Greek junta, the right-wing military dictatorship that ruled Greece.   Cypriot president Archbishop Makarious III was deposed and the aim was to unite Cyprus with Greece.    It did not work.  But Turkey then invaded Cyprus, eventually taking about a third of the island, causing the GCs to head south, and TCs north.   It all got very messy.    And does Jeba really live in North Cyprus??   I thought he was in Paphos.  I guess he could be living in a house deserted by a Turkish Cypriot who fled north because of the Greek led coup.

[jeba 4,364]

25 minutes ago, snowingagain said:

And does Jeba really live in North Cyprus??   I thought he was in Paphos.  I guess he could be living in a house deserted by a Turkish Cypriot who fled north because of the Greek led coup.

No, I´m currently still living near Larnaca in the South, but will move to the Paphos district within a few months (assuming my building permit will be granted). I want to live a bit higher up in the mountains to avoid the heat. But let him assume what he wishes.

The conflict between Greek and Turkish Cypriots is too complicated for me to wrap my head around. If you ask Cypriots, you´ll get as many answers as you ask people - and they´re all incompatible with each other. I do certainly suspect a lot of parallels between this conflict and the conflict between Western and Eastern Ukrainians.

 

Random anecdote which happened to me today: I got lost in the Turkish occupied North as google maps had misguided me into a Turkish military area. Two Turkish soldiers with guns stopped me and asked what the hell I was doing there. When I told them that my satnav had misguided me, they asked for my name and I gave them my first name. One of them (who spoke some English) noted it together with my number plate on the palm of his hand and told me the correct way. That was the end of it. They were quite friendly and didn´t even want to see my passport (which I found surprising).

[snowingagain 5,361]

14 hours ago, jeba said:

But let him assume what he wishes.

But getting the history so wrong.   And suggesting you were complicit in the (very real) ethnic cleansing that went on.  And of course, with a bit of, even if you did not, it is what you would like to do.  I do not agree with everything you say (haha understatement) but I hate stuff this sloppy.  

[Wulfrun 23,285]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64992727

Putin arrest warrant issued over war crime allegations

[MikeMelga 7,312]

https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/krieg-verlauf-ende-ukraine-niederlage-russland-100.html

Keupp expects Putin's defeat in October

[keith2011 2,648]

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Nord Stream: Report puts Russian navy ships near pipeline blast site

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65461401

 

Despite this report and the Kremlin's twisted logic, I can't figure what motive or advantage there could be for Russia to sabotage the pipelines, it makes no sense. Had the pipelines remained operational Putin could have dangled a bunch of grapes before a hungry Europe!

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Burning bridges is a classic military tactic, both for domestic and international purposes:

 

- The explicitly stated desire was to "freeze Europe" and push Europe into a recession, as seen in Putin's speeches and Russian government video adverts

- To sow discontent in Europe and try to reduce Europeans' support of Ukraine due to subsequent oil/gas shortages
- Europe as a trading partner may have been deemed a lost cause as they were in the process of weaning themselves off Russian oil/gas, therefore the value of the line had diminished greatly

- To demonstrate resolve for international audiences, that there's no turning back and that negotiations would be useless.

- To consolidate power: Domestic Russian dissent could be squashed as Europeans would no longer be able to leverage their money and gas/oil buying-power in Russia.

- Putin could theoretically help preempt a potential internal coup by not allowing any replacement the compelling option to turn it on again and resume sales

 

[keith2011 2,648]

56 minutes ago, circuits said:

Burning bridges is a classic military tactic, both for domestic and international purposes:

 

- The explicitly stated desire was to "freeze Europe" and push Europe into a recession, as seen in Putin's speeches and Russian government video adverts

- To sow discontent in Europe and try to reduce Europeans' support of Ukraine due to subsequent oil/gas shortages
- Europe as a trading partner may have been deemed a lost cause as they were in the process of weaning themselves off Russian oil/gas, therefore the value of the line had diminished greatly

- To demonstrate resolve for international audiences, that there's no turning back and that negotiations would be useless.

- To consolidate power: Domestic Russian dissent could be squashed as Europeans would no longer be able to leverage their money and gas/oil buying-power in Russia.

- Putin could theoretically help preempt a potential internal coup by not allowing any replacement the compelling option to turn it on again and resume sales

 

All of which is cutting off his nose to spite his face! I don't see it, imo much more likely if it was the USA or the Ukrainians  anything outside of that obvious and logical speculation  is likely to be propaganda.

[Janx Spirit 11,168]

Fuckers:

"Ukraine accuses Russia of destroying major dam near Kherson, warns of widespread flooding"

"KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine on Tuesday accused Russian forces of blowing up a major dam and hydroelectric power station in a part of southern Ukraine that Russia controls, sending water gushing from the breached facility and risking massive flooding. Ukrainian authorities ordered hundreds of thousands of residents downriver to evacuate."


https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-kakhovka-dam-flood-evacuation-eecc9952c2d9f500c38b0a873f69438c

[MikeMelga 7,312]

Not only that, Russians closed the gates before blowing it up, meaning the damn was at all time high. This increased the damage considerably.
Anyway, ukraine counter offensive is starting, time to kick some russian ass!