The War in Ukraine

[AlexTr 19,735]

30 minutes ago, Eric7 said:

 

I will admit that I thought the sanctions would have more of an effect, in both directions. Russia was supposed to be denied all the shiny things from the West and we were supposed to be struggling for energy. In reality, Russian oil and gas still made it into Germany (and still does, via 3rd countries such as India) and all the shiny things are still for sale in Russia. I do feel we are still at the very beginning of this problem though. It's like we've managed to one last huge shop before the discounter across the road closed down for good. Sure, we're okay for right now but the future looks bleak, or very expensive at least.

 

Regarding the murder of ethnic Russians - it did happen in the regions that Russia withdrew from. I don't expect you to believe it though.
There have been numerous articles about that, from sources you would undoubtedly reject, however one article did slip through in the MSM.
'We're hunting them down and shooting them like pigs'

 

Both sides are currently throwing bodies at the problem, and there is increasing talk (as yet unconfirmed) of Ukraine conscripting 16 year olds.
It's a terrible situation with no solution in sight.

 

But, buddy, that article you posted above from the Daily Fail was from October 2022 and Ukrainians were naturally hunting down and killing traitors, collaborators, and invaders. You claimed that ethnic Russians were being murdered by the Ukrainian army in, checks notes,  March of 2022. Where is your proof from then?

 

I think you should also bring your Indian supply claim support.

 

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[Eric7 555]

16 minutes ago, AlexTr said:

 

But, buddy, that article you posted above from the Daily Fail was from October 2022 and Ukrainians were naturally hunting down and killing traitors, collaborators, and invaders. You claimed that ethnic Russians were being murdered by the Ukrainian army in, checks notes,  March of 2022. Where is your proof from then?

 

I think you should also bring your Indian supply claim support.

 

🤡

 

It's common knowledge that Ukraine has been shelling the Donbas since 2014. They are still shelling civilian infrastructure in Donetsk city today. Keep your blinkers on if you want, of course.

 

Regarding "naturally hunting down and killing traitors, collaborators, and invaders"... This included people who continued to work under Russian occupation as well as people who accepted humanitarian aid from the Russians. All good in your eyes, naturally.

 

Bloomberg mainstream enough for you?

Oil’s New Map: How India Turns Russia Crude Into the West’s Fuel

[AlexTr 19,735]

On 3/7/2022, 12:36:02, Eric7 said:

You obviously feel the same way about the Ukrainian soldiers who were murdering the ethnic Russians in the Donbas since 2014.
No?

Or are you one of those who deny it was happening?

 

So, you admit that the Ukrainians were defending against a pro-Russian secessionist insurgency, legally an enemy force, which is exactly what everyone knows. They were not, as you said a year ago, murdering ethnic Russians. They were battling an insurgency of pro-Russian secessionists. Admirable. You are aware that there were Russian military leading this secession attempt, right?

 

57 minutes ago, Eric7 said:

 

Oil’s New Map: How India Turns Russia Crude Into the West’s Fuel

You said that gas made it to Germany. Show me where in that article it says that. Furthermore, these are at the low, low price of $44.4/barrel (from your own article), which is lower than the $60/barrel sanction rate. 

 

I cannot for the life of me figure out if you are a vatnik, a tankie, or just an impossibly under-educated and naïve consumer of information. 

[Eric7 555]

You believe what you want to believe, love.
I'm not your link-monkey, there is plenty of information out there if you are capable of finding it.

[AlexTr 19,735]

8 minutes ago, Eric7 said:

You believe what you want to believe, love.
I'm not your link-monkey, there is plenty of information out there if you are capable of finding it.

 

That's a cute way of saying you admit you're wrong. have a great day, buddy. Try not to believe every stupid thing you see out there.

[Eric7 555]

1 minute ago, AlexTr said:

 

That's a cute way of saying you admit you're wrong. have a great day, buddy. Try not to believe every stupid thing you see out there.

 

And that's your way of saying you're not capable of finding the information for yourself.
Bless.

[AlexTr 19,735]

14 minutes ago, Eric7 said:

 

And that's your way of saying you're not capable of finding the information for yourself.
Bless.

 

It's not my job to support your arguments. I decided to debunk them and did. If you don't feel the need to defend yourself (because you cannot), it's on you.

 

However, I do want to offer some other helpful advice:

Lew Rockwell is an imbecile.

Joe Rogan is a racist bigot who says things to get himself attention.

No one gets good information from a place called Garbaggio.news.

QAnon is a scam for the weak-minded.

Adrenochrome and the concomitant conspiracy of cannibalistic pedophiles do not exist.

The Gateway Pundit makes up nearly everything they write.

 

I hope that helps you.

[Eric7 555]

2 minutes ago, AlexTr said:

 

It's not my job to support your arguments. I decided to debunk them and did. If you don't feel the need to defend yourself (because you cannot), it's on you.

 

 

You didn't debunk anything petal, just stated it was wrong and demanded links.

 

2 minutes ago, AlexTr said:

However, I do want to offer some other helpful advice:

Lew Rockwell is an imbecile.

Joe Rogan is a racist bigot who says things to get himself attention.

No one gets good information from a place called Garbaggio.news.

QAnon is a scam for the weak-minded.

Adrenochrome and the concomitant conspiracy of cannibalistic pedophiles do not exist.

The Gateway Pundit makes up nearly everything they write.

 

I hope that helps you.

 

 

The only person/thing I've heard of there is Joe Rogan.
You seem to know about them though.

[AlexTr 19,735]

45 minutes ago, Eric7 said:

 

You didn't debunk anything petal, just stated it was wrong and demanded links.

 

 

 

Ahh, so you did not read the links I included.

 

46 minutes ago, Eric7 said:

 

The only person/thing I've heard of there is Joe Rogan.
You seem to know about them though.

 

In keeping with the non-reading of supporting information, you take pride in your ignorance. How on brand for you. Good job, buddy.

[jeba 4,364]

On 9.2.2023, 12:31:21, AlexTr said:

I decided to debunk them and did

No. I only read one of your links which you claimed to be proof of that Russian military was leading this secession attempt.

However, the article you linked mere says Russian soldiers were supporting the separatists. Which isn't the same.

[jeba 4,364]

There seems to be an undesirable side effect of the war in Ukraine: rise of infections with multiresistant bacteria. Ukrainian refugees are bringing them along.

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2022.27.50.2200926

 

Reminds me of the increase of tuberculosis once "Russlanddeutsche" (descendents of Germans emigrants to Russia) were allowed to move to Germany in the late 80ies.

[AlexTr 19,735]

Putin has ‘lost the energy war’, top trader claims as he ends bets on high gas price - from Financial Times 

 

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Russian president Vladimir Putin has “lost the energy war” and the worst of the European gas and power crisis has passed, according to Pierre Andurand, one of the world’s top-performing traders in the sector.

 

Andurand, whose energy focused hedge funds have enjoyed three bumper years of returns during the coronavirus pandemic, said he had closed out all his positions in natural gas markets because last year’s price surge to record levels was unlikely to be repeated, with Europe learning rapidly to live without Russian gas.

 

Deep cuts to Russian gas exports in retaliation for western support for Ukraine drove the European benchmark price above €300 a megawatt hour in August, more than 10 times its normal level. But in recent months it has tumbled back to about €50/MWh — still historically high but far more manageable for European economies mired in a cost of living crisis.

 

“I think Putin lost the energy war,” Andurand said in an interview with the Financial Times. “Very high natural gas and power prices in Europe were extremely bad for the world economy but now they have come back to a more reasonable level. If gas prices stay here there will be much less worry about inflation and interest rates rises. There’s no more fear of an energy crisis.

 

“Now that Europe is getting used to living without Russian gas why would they ever go back?” he added.

 

Indeed.

[AlexTr 19,735]

14 hours ago, jeba said:

No. I only read one of your links which you claimed to be proof of that Russian military was leading this secession attempt.

However, the article you linked mere says Russian soldiers were supporting the separatists. Which isn't the same.

 

(Sigh)

 

Mud puddles are deeper than your thinking.

 

Here.

[jeba 4,364]

1 hour ago, AlexTr said:

 

(Sigh)

 

Mud puddles are deeper than your thinking.

 

Here.

Really? I don´t feel like wasting time on reading your new link (which I´m sure is utterly unbiased, of course), so let´s stay at the one I responded to. You claimed that it was evidence of that Russian military was leading the separatist movement. Which it wasn´t.

Apart from that, there is an alternative narrative, which I don´t find completely unplausible: There must obviously have been a lot of Ukrainians who were more inclined to affiliation with Russia rather than the EU. Otherwise, Janucovic wouldn´t have been elected in the first place. They mainly lived in Eastern Ukraine and didn´t like the Maidan movement and when Janucovic was ousted in an unconstitutional way they didn´t recognize the rebel government and THIS was why they declared independence. In their view (and Putins) the Zelensky government is illegitimate, and from their point of view that´s understandable. It didn´t help that the Zelensky government uttered nationalist nonsense like

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I think that if you live on the Donbass territory today, which is temporarily occupied, and you think that ‘our cause is right, we need to be with Russia, we are Russian,’ then it is a big mistake to remain living in Donbass, it will never become Russian territory. Never. It doesn’t matter for how long it has been occupied, it’s like that wall that used to be in Germany," he said. In relation to that, the head of state asserted that "for the sake of your children and grandchildren it is already time to go find a place for yourself in the Russian Federation.

(https://tass.com/world/1322979). And that was in 2021.

The coin has two sides.

[AlexTr 19,735]

18 minutes ago, jeba said:

Really? I don´t feel like wasting time on reading your new link (which I´m sure is utterly unbiased, of course), so let´s stay at the one I responded to. You claimed that it was evidence of that Russian military was leading the separatist movement. Which it wasn´t.

Apart from that, there is an alternative narrative, which I don´t find completely unplausible: There must obviously have been a lot of Ukrainians who were more inclined to affiliation with Russia rather than the EU. Otherwise, Janucovic wouldn´t have been elected in the first place. They mainly lived in Eastern Ukraine and didn´t like the Maidan movement and when Janucovic was ousted in an unconstitutional way they didn´t recognize the rebel government and THIS was why they declared independence. In their view (and Putins) the Zelensky government is illegitimate, and from their point of view that´s understandable. It didn´t help that the Zelensky government uttered nationalist nonsense like

(https://tass.com/world/1322979). And that was in 2021.

The coin has two sides.

 

My link is only a paper from a Russian-national professor of history and sociology who teaches at University Bremen and advises the German government. We can absolutely assume TASS has a lesser bias. I will alert you if my tongue ever gets extracted from its firm implantation in my cheek.

 

You're a hoot. How much did you lose betting on the wrong market player this time?

[jeba 4,364]

6 minutes ago, AlexTr said:

 

My link is only a paper from a Russian-national professor of history and sociology who teaches at University Bremen and advises the German government. We can absolutely assume TASS has a lesser bias. I will alert you if my tongue ever gets extracted from its firm implantation in my cheek.

 

You're a hoot. How much did you lose betting on the wrong market player this time?

I never said TASS was unbiased. But they were quoting Zelensky, not interpreting him.

[AlexTr 19,735]

Mud puddle deep. There it is.

 

We're not ever going to agree. Time to let this go.

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Gotta give kudos to AlexTr. I doubt if she has ever faked a sarcasm. 

 

[jeba 4,364]

51 minutes ago, AlexTr said:

Mud puddle deep. There it is.

 

We're not ever going to agree. Time to let this go.

What is there to agree or not on? Are you doubting Zelensky said it? Are you doubting that leading isn't the same as supporting? Are you doubting that Janucovic was elected even though he was pro-Russian? Are you doubting that for this reason it's plausible that many of those who voted for him (and that was a majority) had a pro-Russian bias as well? Are you doubting that there was no vote of non-confidence (as constitutionally required) to remove him from office? Are you doubting that his anti-Russian stance alienated those Russophiles in Eastern Ukraine? Are you saying that they should obviously have accepted the rebel government as their legitimate representatives?

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