The War in Ukraine

[keith2011 2,648]

48 minutes ago, Eric7 said:

Anyone who believes that a microchip from a breast pump can be used in a tank or in precision-guided weapons needs to give their head a wobble.

I am finding hard to believe that there is a need for a programmable microchip in a breast pump, let alone reusing it in a tank or missile.

 

[Eric7 555]

5 minutes ago, yesterday said:

I think they could manufacture chips, but well behind western standards, and may not even work for that long either - and why bother when when they can buy them from the West in return for Oil. But hang on a second, did that not change last February.

 

I am sure Russia can get hold of chips, but they will be old and cost alot, and maybe the supply will not meet demand.

 

I'm sure Russia's chips are behind the modern western ones but in your previous post you were talking about Concorde and going to the moon. Cutting edge they may not be, but I'm convinced Russia can make chips good enough for what they need.

In any case, as the link I posted shows, the western chips are still getting through.

[Eric7 555]

2 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

I am finding hard to believe that there is a need for a programmable microchip in a breast pump, let alone reusing it in a tank or missile.

 

 

No Keith, you've got to believe the narrative that the Russians are so desperate that they are turning to breast pumps for their chips.

[Krieg 15,038]

3 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

I am finding hard to believe that there is a need for a programmable microchip in a breast pump, let alone reusing it in a tank or missile.

 

 

I am not in the business of breast pumps, but some general google search shows some of them have LCD screens, just that needs a microchip.

 

 

[Eric7 555]

Anyway... any thoughts on Seymour Hersh?
Conspiracy theorist, crank etc.?

 

How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

[snowingagain 5,359]

11 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

I am not in the business of breast pumps, but some general google search shows some of them have LCD screens, just that needs a microchip.

I am sure you are right.  But, but, but why would a breast pump need a LCD screen?   I have more experience than you, I guess.  Mine would have said "This is not working, slap the baby back on".  But worked that out for myself.

[yesterday 2,022]

27 minutes ago, Eric7 said:

 

I'm sure Russia's chips are behind the modern western ones but in your previous post you were talking about Concorde and going to the moon. Cutting edge they may not be, but I'm convinced Russia can make chips good enough for what they need.

 

It depends, as said a basic chip can fly a missile, but higher spec chips, will also identify the target and hit it a a certain place for more damage, it will also try to fly random patterns to make it harder to for the enemy to target the missile.

 

So, yes a basic chip will get you there, but not to the same level as a modern Western chip, which will do the job better.

 

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In any case, as the link I posted shows, the western chips are still getting through.

 

yes I looked at your link, its a news outlet from Turkey, seems like a good news source thou

 

If you do a google search on  "have sanctions stopped Russia getting chips". You will get an endless list, of websites telling you that the sanctions are working but are not perfect.

Most of the news, seems to think they are mostly effective.

 

So what to believe, its a bit like the talk of how many Russians have been killed. Will we ever know the real truth of dead Russian or how effective the sanctions are !!!!

[Eric7 555]

4 minutes ago, yesterday said:

 

yes I looked at your link, its a news outlet from Turkey, seems like a good news source thou

 

If you do a google search on  "have sanctions stopped Russia getting chips". You will get an endless list, of websites telling you that the sanctions are working but are not perfect.

Most of the news, seems to think they are mostly effective.

 

So what to believe, its a bit like the talk of how many Russians have been killed. Will we ever know the real truth of dead Russian or how effective the sanctions are ??? 

 

The sanctions have stopped the direct supply of some western goods into Russia but exactly the same as with Russian oil & gas there are still routes in and out through 3rd countries.

[Krieg 15,038]

8 minutes ago, snowingagain said:

I am sure you are right.  But, but, but why would a breast pump need a LCD screen?   I have more experience than you, I guess.  Mine would have said "This is not working, slap the baby back on".  But worked that out for myself.

 

Well, LCD screens are used to display information.  Not sure what kind of information those pumps display though.    And that would be only the LCD screen, they might use other chip for other things, but I am just speculating, I do not know anything about breast pumps, but I know that a VAST quantity of common electric devices have microchips nowadays, it is almost like, if you have to plug it there is a chip inside, they are basically almost everywhere.

 

P.S., I really do not know If Russia is indeed harvesting chips from breast pumps, but I just found out that the demand of those pumps in Armenia was three times higher in 2022 and six times higher in Kazakhstan.    Both countries had declining birth rates in 2022.

[snowingagain 5,359]

4 minutes ago, Krieg said:

I do not know anything about breast pumps, but I know that a VAST quantity of common electric devices have microchips nowadays,

But I think it is mad over-engineering.  I can understand why it could be useful for a dairy farmer, with a few hundred milking cows.  But for a single human mother, milking cow, it seems a bit weird.  Ha.

[fraufruit 42,196]

Doesn't almost every single electrical gadget have some kind of digital something-or-other these days?

[Krieg 15,038]

3 minutes ago, snowingagain said:

But I think it is mad over-engineering.  I can understand why it could be useful for a dairy farmer, with a few hundred milking cows.  But for a single human mother, milking cow, it seems a bit weird.  Ha.

 

I have zero idea about how the pump works except the obvious, it creates vacuum and sucks.   You will need a chip (apart for the one in the LCD) is there are some sort of decisions that can be taken to optimize the process or making it more comfortable.  I obviously have no idea what that can be, not sure if the process might produce pain or bad feelings and if changing variables on the fly could make it better.   They might as well want to store some information, like counting amounts.   Then it might make sense to have some sort of control board on everything that has a motor.

[yesterday 2,022]

This is getting a bit off off topic, but ..

 

Ameda Purely Yours Professional Breast Pump with Carry All

 

https://www.medical-supplies-equipment-company.com/homehealth/product/ameda-purely-yours-professional-breast-pump-with-carry-all_6000.html

 

It says, 

• Microchip technology allows independent adjustment of suction levels and cycle speed to accommodate mother''s personal comfort level and to closely simulate baby''s nursing patterns

and to do that you need a micro chip.

[fraufruit 42,196]

Back in the day, I used a manual breast pump. It was basically a plastic cylinder with a syringe in the end. Fast, efficient and painless.

[keith2011 2,648]

1 hour ago, snowingagain said:

 But for a single human mother, milking cow, it seems a bit weird.  Ha.

 

I dread to think what could happen if somebody hacked into it and maliciously took over the controls.

[optimista 5,889]

I had a squeezy thing from DM, I think. Cost a few Euros, not even double figures. Did the job. Still regret not making cheese, just to see... Mother milk, magic stuff.

[AlexTr 19,735]

On 3/7/2022, 12:34:20, AlexTr said:

Some people are worried about being cold next winter, while others are more worried that millions will die in Ukraine in the next few weeks.

 

Don't be the former.

 

So, this is what I said. Here it is that next winter I was talking about.

 

On 3/7/2022, 12:38:25, Eric7 said:

 

Being cold will be the least of your worries.

 

I'm not even cold. Germany replaced the missing supply. Again, like I said, this is that next winter. Your predictions didn't pan out.

 

Oh, and there was no mass murder of ethnic Russians by the Ukrainians and Russia is basically throwing dead bodies at the problem.

 

What exactly have you been correct about, GladToBeWrong?

 

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[MikeMelga 7,312]

5 hours ago, keith2011 said:

I am finding hard to believe that there is a need for a programmable microchip in a breast pump, let alone reusing it in a tank or missile.

 

My tooth brush has a bluetooth microchip that reports to a smartphone and to a small clock-shaped gadget. I don't use it. But somehow my neighbour bought the same and when he brushes his teeth, my alarm shape clock wakes up.

[Eric7 555]

12 hours ago, AlexTr said:

 

So, this is what I said. Here it is that next winter I was talking about.

 

 

I'm not even cold. Germany replaced the missing supply. Again, like I said, this is that next winter. Your predictions didn't pan out.

 

Oh, and there was no mass murder of ethnic Russians by the Ukrainians and Russia is basically throwing dead bodies at the problem.

 

What exactly have you been correct about, GladToBeWrong?

 

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I will admit that I thought the sanctions would have more of an effect, in both directions. Russia was supposed to be denied all the shiny things from the West and we were supposed to be struggling for energy. In reality, Russian oil and gas still made it into Germany (and still does, via 3rd countries such as India) and all the shiny things are still for sale in Russia. I do feel we are still at the very beginning of this problem though. It's like we've managed to one last huge shop before the discounter across the road closed down for good. Sure, we're okay for right now but the future looks bleak, or very expensive at least.

 

Regarding the murder of ethnic Russians - it did happen in the regions that Russia withdrew from. I don't expect you to believe it though.
There have been numerous articles about that, from sources you would undoubtedly reject, however one article did slip through in the MSM.
'We're hunting them down and shooting them like pigs'

 

Both sides are currently throwing bodies at the problem, and there is increasing talk (as yet unconfirmed) of Ukraine conscripting 16 year olds.
It's a terrible situation with no solution in sight.

[optimista 5,889]

Oh bloody hell. Read all the words. On second thoughts, don't. I really wish the government would just ban the Daily Fail. Failing that I would make an appeal to TT mods to stop allowing people to quote it. Yes, it really is that bad. How does it escape you ?