The War in Ukraine

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1 hour ago, HEM said:

Great business model isn't it?

Selling coal to Newcastle! ( Bit sarcastic but anyway...)🙁

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The German Ministry of Finance has announced a programme in which starting from tomorrow 24.05.2022, every adult Ukrainian refugee can exchange up to 10,000 UAH (= Hryvnia = Ukrainian currency) banknotes (100, 200, 500 and 1,000 banknotes of the current series will be accepted) into euro, at the present exchange rate of 1€ = 33.33 UAH, this corresponds to 300€https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/Finanzpolitik/2022/05/2022-05-23-umtauschprogramm-startet.html

 

  • Exchange programme starts - from 24 May 2022, hryvnia banknotes can be exchanged for euros
    Refugees who have fled the war in Ukraine will be able to exchange their hryvnia banknotes for euros in Germany from 24 May 2022. The Federal Ministry of Finance, the Deutsche Bundesbank and the German Banking Industry as well as the National Bank of Ukraine have agreed on this.

    The Federal Ministry of Finance and the Deutsche Bundesbank have signed an agreement with the National Bank of Ukraine on an exchange volume of initially 1.5 billion hryvnia. The agreement is an important prerequisite for the exchange. The framework for the exchange was discussed with the German banking industry. The German Banking Industry wants to support refugees and will implement the exchange programme with its participating banks and savings banks.

    Refugees can exchange a total of up to 10,000 hryvnia into euros at participating German banks and savings banks. The exchange can also be made in several instalments and is to be free of charge. Banknotes of 100, 200, 500 and 1,000 Hryvnia of the currently valid banknote series of the National Bank of Ukraine will be accepted. The exchange into euro will be carried out at the exchange rate announced on the Bundesbank's website (www.bundesbank.de/wechselkurse-uah). The exchange is recorded in an online application provided by the European Central Bank to ensure that the individual maximum exchange amount is not exceeded. The identity of each adult refugee wishing to participate in the exchange is recorded and verified. The documents accepted are those that are also accepted for the opening of a basic account by refugees from the Ukrainian war zone. The requirements of data protection are adhered to. The exchange is initially possible for three months.

    Any losses resulting from the exchange will be borne by the federal budget. The operational implementation of the banknote exchange with the banks and savings banks as well as the return of the banknotes to the National Bank of Ukraine is carried out by the Deutsche Bundesbank.
    Further information is provided by all banks and savings banks participating in the exchange programme.

 

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20 minutes ago, yesterday said:

Looks like Russia is slowly winning the war, unfortunately

 

Donbas situation is extremely difficult - Zelensky

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61546571

 

Why are the modern weapons not winning the war for Ukraine ??

 

 

 

Russia is basically pulverizing the towns with artillery and missiles. Harder to fight an invader who just destroys everything.

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23 minutes ago, kaffeemitmilch said:

 

Russia is basically pulverizing the towns with artillery and missiles. Harder to fight an invader who just destroys everything.

 

yes I understand that from the news as well, but I do not understand, why are the Ukraine not destroying the Russian artillery, with the long range drones and howitzers ( which are longer range than the Russian artillery and can be GPS guided  from Satellite pictures) that we have send  them, I thought was the point of them - if it continues like this then the Ukraine will eventually lose, which I do not want. Do the Russians just have so much stuff, that they can replace the destroyed units ?

 

 

MM

 Ukraine can mobilize more troops than Russia

 

Not true

The Ukraine has mobilised all fighting men, about 1 millioin

 

If Russia, mobilised all fighting men from a population of 143 million, they would have 10s of million troupes, its just Russia is fighting it only with a section of men from the army, thats why is called a Special Military Operation

 

@MM

 It's better to give Russia the lead, because the attacker will suffer more losses 

 

Sure but if you never advance and only defend, eventually you will lose all your territory.

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48 minutes ago, yesterday said:

Looks like Russia is slowly winning the war, unfortunately

 

Why are the modern weapons not winning the war for Ukraine ??

I wouldn't draw that conclusion. Ukraine can mobilize more troops than Russia. But Ukraine can't make frontal assaults, it's stupid. It's better to give Russia the lead, because the attacker will suffer more losses, like that attempt to cross the river. Russia does a war of devastation, basically destroying everything ahead. Ukraine can't fall for that. They need to focus on strategic targets, as western military does. Also, Russians haven't been able to capture big cities in the past month. Mostly small villages. Larger cities will be much harder to get, unless they vaporize them.

 

Excellent analysis on this page:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/24/world/europe/russia-shrinking-war-ukraine.html

 

As long as the west keeps fueling Ukraine with help, the smartest move is to let Putin implode by internal pressure.

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I work in a company with both Russians and Ukranians employees.  Last Friday, one of my Ukranian students attended the lesson and told us that she had had 2 Ukranian woman staying with her, but that they had decided to head back to Kiev.  They texted her to say that when they reached the border, there were hundreds upon hundreds of cars there, all heading back to try and rebuild their lives.  What has also been interesting to hear is that although there is a lot of destruction in strategic places, a lot of the buildings are still intact there, even in Kiev.   They just have to hope that Putin doesn't put this area in his sights again.

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3 hours ago, French bean said:

And what happens next time because there will always be a next time.

1. I doubt that very much.

2. Even if there was, sacrificing more people now wouldn´t change whatever happens in case I should be wrong.

3. You´re talking as if Russia would agree to a status quo ante.

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The Russians would agree to anything that would in there eyes give an advantage later. The amount of agreements and treaties they've signed and then later ignored is amazing.

Lets see, allowing Eastern European countries to have self determination post WW2, access to Berlin by the former war time allies and the Minsk agreement most recently. Why should they be any different now?

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16 minutes ago, French bean said:

The Russians would agree to anything that would in there eyes give an advantage later. The amount of agreements and treaties they've signed and then later ignored is amazing.

Lets see, allowing Eastern European countries to have self determination post WW2, access to Berlin by the former war time allies and the Minsk agreement most recently. Why should they be any different now?

Let me repeat myself:

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3. You´re talking as if Russia would agree to a status quo ante.

 

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What Status Quo Ante? The one that existed in 1989 or the original one when Ukraine was an independant state. Putin wants back the old USSR he remembers and that means the occupation of all former Soviet Socialist Republics plus occupation of the Baltic states. Then where else will he go if he achieves that?

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2 hours ago, French bean said:

What Status Quo Ante?

Before the current war started, i.e. 23 Feb.

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