The War in Ukraine

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55 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 FB can ban you for posting any_nationality + offensive_word.   

 

P.S., "any_nationality" is not really all of them, but the list of countries is pretty long.

So "Turkey fuckers" targeting bestiality towards those birds would get you banned?

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21 minutes ago, yesterday said:

Guess we should remember its not ALL Russians.

 

I guess most Russians would not support what some of them are doing

You have a gift from God: you do not speak Russian and have no clue what most of them are thinking. 

 

I would like to unlearn Russian to stop reading and watching their social networks, too. 

 

And I would like to unlearn German to stop understanding Olaf Scholz. 

 

At no point in my life I was so disappointed that I speak 6 languages. I can understand bullshit in 6 languages. That's a pain!

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2 minutes ago, yourkeau said:

You have a gift from God: you do not speak Russian and have no clue what most of them are thinking. 

 

I would like to unlearn Russian to stop reading and watching their social networks, too. 

 

And I would like to unlearn German to stop understanding Olaf Scholz. 

 

At no point in my life I was so disappointed that I speak 6 languages. I can understand bullshit in 6 languages. That's a pain!

 

I watch quite a bit of "What do the Russians think about the war in the Ukraine" on various media outlets

 

Most Russians will not comment, for fear that something may be done to them, while others know they are being fed bull and openly wish the situation was different, some the minority support the war.

 

Sure if you goto right wing media outlets, they are massif in favour of the war.

 

I  normally go by the rule that most people are nice and decent people around the world, which is my experience. However you always get the people like Putin who will exploit this for their own gains. 

 

I am happy that you that you talk 6 languages, and sure you gain an sight in to the minds of people who have been fed so must shit that they just believe it.  But also people are allowed to have an view on what they experience from various media outlets

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2 hours ago, yesterday said:

I  normally go by the rule that most people are nice and decent people around the world, which is my experience. However you always get the people like Putin who will exploit this for their own gains. 

 

This is the whole idea of Hannah Arendt: people can be nice and decent, and commit genocide. In advanced developed countries evil never looks like evil. 

 

 

Putin did not order the raping and killing of the civilians, the soldiers did this. They will return to their homes, shipping stolen washing machines and laptops by Belarus Post, and be nice fathers and husbands. 

 

We live in 2022, so some of those items can be tracked (for example, iPhones and AirPods), and they are tracked by the rightful owners in all regions of Russia. 

 

We live in 2022, so rapists can be easily found and identified on social networs, you do not need Mossad to do this job. 

 

What you are doing is genocide endorsement. "Most people are nice, so let's ignore the criminals and the suffering of their victims". 

 

Many older Israelis still hate Germans. And you know what? I do not tell them "but most Germans are nice and they have learned from history". I just shut up and listen to people who survived the Holocaust, and I do not tell them about nice Germans. 

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, yourkeau said:

 

 

What you are doing is genocide endorsement. "Most people are nice, so let's ignore the criminals and the suffering of their victims". 

 

Many older Israelis still hate Germans. And you know what? I do not tell them "but most Germans are nice and they have learned from history". I just shut up and listen to people who survived the Holocaust, and I do not tell them about nice Germans. 

 

 

 

 

 

please do not put words in my mouth.

 

I would never endorse genocide or any other serious crimes, I want the people found and convicted for crimes they commit. But I do not think it is so easy as you make out to find and get these bad people.

 

When I go to England, I tell people Germany is a very different country to what it was during the WW2 times, with moral standards. Just staying "Shut up", is more or less does not tell the real truth of the situation. Germany more or less accepts the horrible things that were done, and just wants to act in a moral way for the future. When people complain against Germany most Germans I know just take it. The rest of the world has not learned that Germany is in a very different place now.

 

For a person who talks 6 languages your comprehension skill are piss poor.

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40 minutes ago, yourkeau said:

What you are doing is genocide endorsement. "Most people are nice, so let's ignore the criminals and the suffering of their victims".

No, it isn't. However, what you are doing is twisting his words in a manner Goebbels would have patted you on the back for. Unbelievable!

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1 hour ago, yourkeau said:

Many older Israelis still hate Germans. And you know what? I do not tell them "but most Germans are nice and they have learned from history". I just shut up and listen to people who survived the Holocaust, and I do not tell them about nice Germans. 

 

I know what you mean, a friend of my father who landed in France (Airborne soldier) on D day once told me he still believed the only good German was a dead one. :(

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37 minutes ago, jeba said:

No, it isn't. However, what you are doing is twisting his words in a manner Goebbels would have patted you on the back for. Unbelievable!

Yes, it is. 

 

You, too, prefer me to vanish, so you can drink beer with your Russian friends and talk about Dostoyevsky. My and other Ukrainians' existence makes you feel uncomfortable, and you are trying to fight back. 

 

13 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

 

I know what you mean, a friend of my father who landed in France (Airborne soldier) on D day once told me he still believed the only good German was a dead one. :(

Have you ever heard of any German being attacked due to being German? Has anyone ever killed a German civilian to revenge for Nazi crimes? 

Are Germans afraid to disclose that they are Germans and tell abroad that they are French or Swedish? 

 

If not then why are we having this discussion?!

 

Any flight from Germany to Tel Aviv is separated from the other flights and is heavily guarded by the Polizei with assault rifles. Why? There is a reason. 

 

Either you side with the oppressor or you side with the victims, this is not quantum physics, there is no "both" in between. jeba's posts is a proof to me that Germans learned nothing from WWII. 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61297478

"The West was too slow to act over Russian aggression in Ukraine", Boris Johnson has told Ukrainian MPs.

Addressing the Ukrainian parliament via video link, he said Ukraine's allies "cannot make the same mistake" as they did over the 2014 Crimea invasion.

He said "the West had been 'too slow to grasp what was really happening and "failed" to collectively impose sanctions against Vladimir Putin."

Details of £300m of extra military aid were also announced by Mr Johnson.

The military aid to be sent to Ukraine in the coming weeks will include electronic warfare equipment, a counter-battery radar system, GPS jammers and night-vision devices.

Too little, too late...

 

Hypocrite... When is the UK going to start allowing Ukrainian refugees into the country, or are they still going to use Priti Pathetic's route via Rwanda?

 

 

 

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I normally have this guy on ignore, but someone quoted this statement

" No, it isn't. However, what you are doing is twisting his words in a manner Goebbels would have patted you on the back for. "

 

Unforgivable... you should never end a sentence with a preposition!

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He said exactly what many Germans and Russians are thinking but are afraid to say loud due to StGB. 

 

Actually, the Russia foreign minister just said this. Actually, initially, I thought this was a conspiracy theory "not for public" as he said this at some Italian TV station.

 

But as the government of Israel brought this issue as unacceptable, the Russia MFA issued a responce claiming that indeed many Jews were Nazis and are co-responsible for the Holocaust, and that Israel is distorting "the historical truth". I read it and was thinking like: are Russia MFA secretly working for Ukraine? They are basically pushing Israel out of neutrality. Or are they just idiots? 

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23 minutes ago, yourkeau said:

But as the government of Israel brought this issue as unacceptable, the Russia MFA issued a responce claiming that indeed many Jews were Nazis and are co-responsible for the Holocaust, and that Israel is distorting "the historical truth. I read it and was thinking like: are Russia MFA secretly working for Ukraine? They are basically pushing Israel out of neutrality. Or are they just idiots? 

 

They will lie cheat and basically do and say anything, even in this case of really "distorting the historical truth" whilst falsely accusing  Israel of doing the same, in an attempt to justify their actions and those of their leaders.

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3 hours ago, yourkeau said:

This is the whole idea of Hannah Arendt: people can be nice and decent, and commit genocide. In advanced developed countries evil never looks like evil. 

 

 

Putin did not order the raping and killing of the civilians, the soldiers did this. They will return to their homes, shipping stolen washing machines and laptops by Belarus Post, and be nice fathers and husbands. 

 

We live in 2022, so some of those items can be tracked (for example, iPhones and AirPods), and they are tracked by the rightful owners in all regions of Russia. 

 

We live in 2022, so rapists can be easily found and identified on social networs, you do not need Mossad to do this job. 

 

What you are doing is genocide endorsement. "Most people are nice, so let's ignore the criminals and the suffering of their victims". 

 

Many older Israelis still hate Germans. And you know what? I do not tell them "but most Germans are nice and they have learned from history". I just shut up and listen to people who survived the Holocaust, and I do not tell them about nice Germans. 

 

 

 

The reason why the world is interminably at war.

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No.

 

Ukraine has never attacked any country in the world, ever in its history. Ukraine was attacked by a country which is proud of invading and attacking other countries throughout its history.

 

If this country is defeated like Germany was, the number of wars in the world will decrease tenfold.

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2 hours ago, yourkeau said:

Yes, it is. 

 

You, too, prefer me to vanish, so you can drink beer with your Russian friends and talk about Dostoyevsky. My and other Ukrainians' existence makes you feel uncomfortable, and you are trying to fight back.

No, it isn´t and your imagination seems to be overactive.

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1 hour ago, yourkeau said:

He said exactly what many Germans and Russians are thinking but are afraid to say loud due to StGB. 

No idea what you´re talking about. Maybe you can educate me what I´m thinking?

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30 minutes ago, yourkeau said:

No.

 

Ukraine has never attacked any country in the world, ever in its history. Ukraine was attacked by a country which is proud of invading and attacking other countries throughout its history.

 

If this country is defeated like Germany was, the number of wars in the world will decrease tenfold.

Why was Putin able to do this though. They invaded Ukraine with the support of many of their citizens because of the "Nazi" dangers.

Why did the Russian people fall for this obvious lie?

Because they´ve had the attitude that because someone in the past did something to them then the same people could do it again and are not to be trusted. Let´s face it Russia has a bigger Nazi problem than Ukraine but because they´re Russian they can´t be Nazis right.

You could probably get majority support for a US invasion of a Middle East country because of the actions of a small group in 2001 because many Americans don´t trust Muslims and that distrust is continuously fed.

Hell, you could probably get support for the UK to invade France or Scotland to invade England because over the years people are taught that although they should forgive people they shouldn't trust them.

You will never stop wars all the time this attitude is prevalent.

2 hours ago, yourkeau said:

They are basically pushing Israel out of neutrality.

We keep seeing you railing against countries' inaction in this war yet you don´t ever mention your country's lack of any action.

What is your opinion on Israels' stance in this war?

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1 hour ago, yourkeau said:

No.

 

Ukraine has never attacked any country in the world, ever in its history. Ukraine was attacked by a country which is proud of invading and attacking other countries throughout its history.

 

If this country is defeated like Germany was, the number of wars in the world will decrease tenfold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Ukraine

Well, if you go back far enough! 

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54 minutes ago, Keleth said:

Why was Putin able to do this though. They invaded Ukraine with the support of many of their citizens because of the "Nazi" dangers.

Why did the Russian people fall for this obvious lie?

Because they´ve had the attitude that because someone in the past did something to them then the same people could do it again and are not to be trusted. Let´s face it Russia has a bigger Nazi problem than Ukraine but because they´re Russian they can´t be Nazis right.

You could probably get majority support for a US invasion of a Middle East country because of the actions of a small group in 2001 because many Americans don´t trust Muslims and that distrust is continuously fed.

Hell, you could probably get support for the UK to invade France or Scotland to invade England because over the years people are taught that although they should forgive people they shouldn't trust them.

You will never stop wars all the time this attitude is prevalent.

We keep seeing you railing against countries' inaction in this war yet you don´t ever mention your country's lack of any action.

What is your opinion on Israels' stance in this war?

Russia's neo-Nazis:

https://theconversation.com/amp/putins-fascists-the-russian-states-long-history-of-cultivating-homegrown-neo-nazis-178535

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