The War in Ukraine

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I read the first two paragraphs and came away with the impression that this is a bit of anti American propaganda. What's the background of the source? How reliable are the quotes? Where's the counterview? Piss poor piece of journalism if it is that.

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Himself is watching the news and said it looks likely that Putin will be making some "maneuvers" on Saturday. I said it was nice for him to wait until Saturday so that everyone can watch it.

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From what I've read, the smart money is betting on Putin invading the night after the Olympics closing ceremony - to avoid overshadowing Xi's moment of glory.

 

EDIT: Oh, snap Mike!

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I still think and hope it's not a full scale invasion, but just annexation of the provinces already under rebel control.

Or perhaps they move further in, but later settle with just those provinces. Worst case would be a complete takeover of the country, but that would trigger a much stronger reaction from the west.

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Whatever he does, the response from the West will be pretty poor in comparison. Just about every NATO member has slashed spending in the last 30 years, too many Oligarchs have donated to various political groups around the world, NATO doesn't actually want to get into a shooting match and if sanctions do target gas and oil then Russia will just sell more to the Chinese.

 

The only winners will be the Chinese who will continue to annex areas in the S. China Sea and provide finance deals for influence to Third World Countries while the Americans are pre-occupied.

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Forget NATO budget, if we were to go to war with russia, only nukes would matter.

 

The main driver for change until 2050 will be energy transformation. Russia might enjoy a decade more of gas and oil money, but this will fade after 2030. If we had real leaders in Europe, the transition away from gas could have started 10 years ago, and by now we could have reduced our consumption to less than half. On the contrary, they just made a bigger bet on gas, even going as stupid as closing nuclear stations.

The future is solar, wind + batteries, and some nuclear. Problem is, transition will take a lot of time, especially in central and northern europe, with heating depending on gas.

For the transition, batteries are the most important, as just by placing battery farms in the current grid would already reduce consumption considerably. For example, in theory, Portugal could reduce its overall energy consumption to a third just by placing enough batteries.

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57 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

even going as stupid as closing nuclear stations.

 

Bit like that BREXIT cartoon with the guy saying something like "now we have thrown away our paddles we have taken control of our ship".


We will just have to be thankful that the French are staying with nuclear power (& can sell it to Germany).

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12 minutes ago, HEM said:

We will just have to be thankful that the French are staying with nuclear power (& can sell it to Germany).

 

Gosh, will this piece of rubbish never die out?
This year so far, Germany has exported 3.184,2GWh of energy to France and imported 86,2GWh from France.
Last year France payed 950,6 Million Euro to Germany for imported energy. (Thats already the net balance!)
And that's why the French are worried about the German 'Energiewende' - if Germany stops exporting all that energy to France they will be left in the dark because they can't prodcue all the engery they need and they most certainly haven't got any they could sell to Germany.
 

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Yeah, Germany sells engery to France and France sells it to other countrys. Which doens't change the fact, that Germany imports next to no engery from France. 

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I spy an attempt to undermine another person's opinions - and silence them? - by ridiculing them.

Nice.

 

So the Ruskies are over the border on a peace-keeping mission. What label should we put on that? Gaslighting maybe?

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No, but that was a very nice example of a straw man, @optimista. We can bookmark it for later use when we need to show that particular logical fallacy.

 

Remember the adage "Read the words that are there and not the ones you want to see there." When you invent things based on such an obviously flawed interpretation, it just makes you look crazy and stupid and you don't want that, do you?

 

Other than that, your horrible interpretation could not be further from the truth. I'd like to see all oligarch's kids expelled from US and NATO members' universities, visas revoked, and deported back. The oligarchs' yachts (some of which are in Germany and France) confiscated. In the US, especially Miami, LA, Chicago, and NYC, and in France, Germany, the UK, and Benelux, all oligarch's real estate holdings and vehicles confiscated until Putin backs down. 

We can then move on to all financial deposits. All should be frozen until Putin backs down. All NATO countries should stop all exports at all to Russia by any company operating within their borders or face having their and their c-level staff's assets frozen and possibly seized.

 

We can only embarrass him over and over until he learns or dies. I don't care which comes first.

 

What's your plan?

 

 

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This is the kind of thing I mean.

Germany's Scholz halts Nord Stream 2 as Ukraine crisis deepens

 

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German Chancellor Olaf Scholz halted the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project designed to bring more Russian gas to Germany on Tuesday after Russia formally recognised two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine.

 

Europe's most divisive energy project was finished in September, but has remained idle since then pending certification by Germany and the European Union.

 

The project is designed to double the amount of gas flowing from Russia straight to Germany under the Baltic Sea, bypassing traditional transit nation Ukraine.

 

After the way Putin disrespected Scholz and the German government, I had hoped that they would step up right off.

 

Johnson says UK imposing sanctions on five Russian banks, and three wealthy individuals

 

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Today, the UK is sanctioning the following four five Russian banks: Rossiya, IS Bank, General Bank, promsvyazbank and the Black Sea Bank.

 

And we are sanctioning three very high net worth individuals: Gennady Timchenko, Boris Rotenberg, and Igor Rotenberg.

 

Any assets they hold in the UK will be frozen, the individuals concerned will be banned from travelling here, and we will prohibit all UK individuals and entities from having any dealings with them.

 

This is the first tranche, the first barrage, of what we are prepared to do: we will hold further sanctions at readiness, to be deployed alongside the United States and the European Union if the situation escalates still further.

 

 

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Putin moved his mega-yacht out of a shipyard in Germany that was there for repairs a couple of weeks ago. He knew. I'm sure that many of the oligarchs have also taken precautions.

 

Funny that Putin didn't have his retrofit done in a Russian shipyard instead of giving the money to Germany. Do you suppose he didn't want his people to see it?

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Trouble is that the Tories in the UK can't do that as the Oligarchs fund the Tory party. Theoretically as the break away regions have Russian soldiers as "Peacekeepers" then couldn't  UN troops from the west go into the Ukraine as "Peacekeepers"

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