Electric vehicles in Germany - all the ins-and-outs!

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Himself responded to your points, Mike 

 

  • Voice recognition is not good. I would say a success rate of 20%, vs >90% with Tesla. I could probably get it better with training, but not much more. - Don't agree. Knew my commands right away after driving out of the dealer yard and navigating to my hotel. Only said the hotel name and town and recognised immediately. Very good.
  • HUD is nice, wish I had it on Tesla. I think it's the sole feature I wish to have on the Tesla. Note: takes a bit to configure it properly, many many options, but it's worth it - agree. Didn't need any setup, was all there what I needed. When you set cruise control and HDA it shows up in the HUD. One can adjust the position of HUD in the settings.
  • There is a weird but helpful mode for rear camera, I think it's a projection from the rear camera, to see better how far you are from the back car when parking - I think it shall overcome dirty rear window because of missing whiper/washer
  • GPS Navigation is good - agree, pretty fast.
  • Autopilot is a big usability mess and dangerous. There are 3 different buttons for it, plus speed adjustment. It's possible, but hard, to activate it on a well marked street, but it simply doesn't work well. It's easy to activate it on the highway and works fairly well, as long as the road is very well marked. As soon as we had a concrete divider, it went straight and I was half a meter away from crashing! You never know exactly what it's doing, because there is no visual feedback like Tesla. But it works well under near perfect circunstances. So why is it dangerous? Because it keeps disabling itself for seconds in a row, without a single warning, and reengaging again! Basically when it gets confused, instead of alerting the driver, it just disables itself!! Another big issue is it's not so easy to disable it completely. Pressing the brake pedal does not disable it permanentely and sometimes it takes over after a few seconds! - I think it needs studying the manual carefully before playing with it. I had problems as soon as the HDA kicked in. Normal cruise control is ok, the rest need to be learned before using. I had problems there too, but think the failure lays mostly between my ears.
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On 3/4/2022, 12:13:29, MikeMelga said:

SW features missing, for example seats and mirrors don't change position when changing driver profile. This is basic stuff, baffled it doesn't have it.

 

Yes they do. There are 2 buttons on the door with numbers 1 and 2 for the front seats. You can also add configuration for the back seat on the monitor - # 3.

 

The driver's seat and mirror configuration activates automatically when you open the car with your phone. Isn't that what the Tesla does?

 

Digital Owners Manual
https://digitalownersmanual.hyundai.com/ioniq5/2021/gb/gb/evtips?fbclid=IwAR19lCurqXLecFcxEqHf-kTW3PsBtKXHT71IzHN-t9eLcvx3FZYLJQcuU4k

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I’m thinking about doing what you did and pick up an Hyundai from Frankfurt. We’re still making do with one car (I’m still doing a lot of homeoffice) but everytime I drive to the office (70 km one way) it annoys me, and long term we are much more comfortable with two cars. I’m just against spending so much money in general 😂

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MMs review of the Ioniq in 4 words.

"It´s not a Tesla".

 

On 04/03/2022, 21:30:53, circuits said:

I´m not saying EVs aren´t better for the environment etc, what I´m saying is that the govt is not just going to write off a tax loss of 15bn (That's just petrol) a year.

They will claw it back in other ways either direct from EVs in some way or some other new tax or tax rise.

 

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3 hours ago, mtbiking said:

everytime I drive to the office (70 km one way) it annoys me

wow 70km is very bad.

My workplace is 6.5 km from home. I almost always cycle commute. And I walk to work more often than I drive there.

And if this was not enough luxury, my wife works from home.

The price we paid for this is that our housing costs few 100ks more than we could have got 70km away. All in all I feel very privileged.

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2 hours ago, Gambatte said:

wow 70km is very bad.

My workplace is 6.5 km from home. I almost always cycle commute. And I walk to work more often than I drive there.

And if this was not enough luxury, my wife works from home.

The price we paid for this is that our housing costs few 100ks more than we could have got 70km away. All in all I feel very privileged.


Yeah, I paid the extra €€ for housing and have the commute on top. Where I work property is cheaper than in Munich. Moving there was a huge no no for my wife, though: work, family, friends all in Munich, etc. I can’t complain, though. The job is good and even before corona I had a flexible home office policy. Going there two/three times per week is doable, and I drive anticyclic -> free autobahn. 

 

I always thought that whenever I got tired of the commute I could just find a job in Munich easily. But first with corona and specially now with the war I’m fine with my work.

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@fraufruit, regarding voice commands, I think you really need to see what Tesla does. I can say any music and it will find it with very high accuracy. Same for navigation. It's not about recognizing commands, it's about recognizing everything! But even command recognition worked really bad, but perhaps because it was Portuguese...

 

22 hours ago, fraufruit said:

 

Yes they do. There are 2 buttons on the door with numbers 1 and 2 for the front seats. You can also add configuration for the back seat on the monitor - # 3.

I don't recall those buttons, but even if it does, why not linked with profile? Select another profile and the car self-adjusts all preferences.

 

22 hours ago, fraufruit said:

The driver's seat and mirror configuration activates automatically when you open the car with your phone. Isn't that what the Tesla does?

As I've said, my FIL can't register the phone because... it's not allowed for business cars ?!?!?!?

 

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23 hours ago, mtbiking said:


I’d think that this model of electricity pricing is not going to be around for much longer, when a significant number of people charge their cars during the night there’ll be no day-night grid imbalance and no reason to encourage night time consumption. 

You would be surprised on how much electricity goes wasted during the night... Portugal has a peak daily production capability 3x higher than average consumption! And still imports! I think you would need all 5 million cars to charge at night to smooth the envelop.

 

EDIT: let's see if I can make some rough calculations.

Portugal produces a daily average of 145GWh. I don't know daily consumptions (consumption is not the same as production) nor a correct daily envelop, but I am going to compare it with 5 million cars charging at night, to get a sense of scale.

Let's imagine each car charges on average 10kWh. That's 50GWh. Sure, that's significant. But that assumes 100% of the fleet is EV. If we assume 20%, it's 10GWh, which is less than 7%, therefore not relevant. I guess it becomes relevant at around 50%, which won't happen within 10 years.

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I forgot about your FIL not being able to use his phone. So he is missing out on Blue Link which has everything including live navi with charger locations, whether or not they're occupied and a lot more. Blue Link is the best feature on the whole car.

 

He has all configurations in the profile.

 

Maybe check out that link I posted. He says everything is there.

 

So far, we only use digital radio. Haven't played with any music features yet or voice commands for that.

 

Bad news is ours can't park itself in our garage space - too tight with a square column at the entry point. It's not really a big deal.

 

ETA - Here is the Ioniq web manual.

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On voice command.

we tried it for a short time with google, on the smartphone, but soon got frustrated that it didn't work as we wished and gave up. Thing is, we use a mix of 4 languages in our family, I suspect voice command has to be set to work in ONE language only. Or at least one at a time. Not so?

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That's the nightmare, like the main language is configured as English and you want to give German street names to the GPS.   

Alexa recently can listen to up to two languages and claim you can do things like be configured in German and understand correctly English song names.  Still weak.  

 

My wife listens to a radio station which name is not an english word.  There is no way to get it correctly.  And you expect there was a way to train Alexa but there is none.  We had to use a routine as a trick.

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13 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

Bad news is ours can't park itself in our garage space - too tight with a square column at the entry point. It's not really a big deal.

😂  Since we live sans 🚘 here I somex pop over to vicariously join in the EV 🌎.  Fascinating and entertaining.  😀

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1 minute ago, BethAnnBitt said:

we live sans 🚘

Well done, you're my hero!

We do own a car, unfortunately, but I'm a green Taliban and we try to use it very little.

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43 minutes ago, Gambatte said:

On voice command.

we tried it for a short time with google, on the smartphone, but soon got frustrated that it didn't work as we wished and gave up. Thing is, we use a mix of 4 languages in our family, I suspect voice command has to be set to work in ONE language only. Or at least one at a time. Not so?

On the Tesla, you can choose a different language between display, GPS text to speech and voice recognition. But on voice recognition, only one language at a time.

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On 3/4/2022, 12:13:29, MikeMelga said:

seats and mirrors don't change position when changing driver profile

 

Just get a wife that is more or less your same size and never change seats and mirror positions.  Win-win.

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3 hours ago, Krieg said:

 

Just get a wife that is more or less your same size and never change seats and mirror positions.  Win-win.

Problems with wifes, is they change size over the years... :D

 

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He did it. He put a scratch on the Ioniq. Touched the concrete post in our parking place. He has now gone out to buy carpet to wrap the post and get an estimate on fixing the scratch - left rear bumper/corner.

 

Or place is problematic because all the cars in a row are parked so far back and then the posts stick out. Can't drive close enough to the cars for the Ioniq to find a spot. This car is wider than our old one. The bird's eye view when backing up is blurry in the dark garage. He will try turning on the garage light when he comes in.

 

Next is buying all weather tires and selling the new summer tires that are on the car. 

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Ah shit. I have 2cm rubber/foam pads on my garage to protect door opening, but I guess you could do the same for a column.

 

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He'll find something to wrap it with to make parking less stressful. The garage is huge, probably an acre. We thought about getting another place but we need to be situated close to our house's electricity. Got written approval from the HVW today to put in an outlet and they gave the name of an electrician. They said that we would be responsible for any "damage" but it seems like that would be on the electrician and his insurance. Oh well.

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15 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

He'll find something to wrap it with to make parking less stressful. The garage is huge, probably an acre. We thought about getting another place but we need to be situated close to our house's electricity. Got written approval from the HVW today to put in an outlet and they gave the name of an electrician. They said that we would be responsible for any "damage" but it seems like that would be on the electrician and his insurance. Oh well.

Be careful, the Hausverwaltung probably also means any "damage" caused by the car.

A story about multiple garage fires (in Munich alone) "caused by electric cars" is causing uproar in various HOAs/Eigentümergemeinschaften I know.


Be aware that if there ever is *any kind of fire* in the house/the garage, the blame could be laid at your door because of these stories.

My suggestion is to talk to an insurance broker and take out additional liability insurance/Haftpflicht. or extend your insurance. Just saying, landlords are getting paranoid.

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