Electric vehicles in Germany - all the ins-and-outs!

[Janx Spirit 11,383]

Probably not much use. There are three shields protecting it.

 

From Tesla:

 

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The first of the three shields is a rounded, hollow aluminum bar that is designed to either deflect objects entirely or, in the case of a self-stabilizing, ultra high strength object, like a three ball steel tow hitch, absorb the impact and force it to pike upwards well forward of the battery pack. This pierces the plastic aeroshield and front trunk liner, but causes no damage affecting safety and the car remains in control and driveable before, during and after the impact.
 
This is followed by a titanium plate, which has exceptional strength-to-weight properties and is more commonly seen in aerospace or military applications. The titanium plate prevents sensitive front underbody components from being damaged and aids in neutralizing the road debris.
 
By this point, the vast majority of objects will have been deflected or crushed. For the rare piece of debris that remains intact, we added a third shield, which is a shallow angle, solid aluminum extrusion that further absorbs impact energy, provides another layer of deflection and finally causes the Model S to ramp up and over the object if it is essentially incompressible and immovable.

https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/blog/tesla-adds-titanium-underbody-shield-and-aluminum-deflector-plates-model-s

[Keleth 9,345]

Oh boy where do you start with MM he cannot help but get butthurt when someone dares slightly criticise Tesla.

This is a good comment...

It´s a good job Tesla and other EV makers don´t have MMs attitude or they wouldn´t bother to constantly look to improve safety measures.

 

 

This is interesting too,only UK figures but interesting none the less.

 

 

 

[Keleth 9,345]

2 hours ago, Eric7 said:

No idea about what safety measures are taken on a Tesla but I'd be surprised if the battery was badly exposed to potential damage in a collision.

The battery "gehause" on the new Daimler EV (Sorry forget it´s name) is made from 2.8mm hardened steel.That is .6mm thicker than any of the other hardened steel you will find on any other Daimler and that includes the footwells,door struts etc and all those other places that is supposed to protect the occupants.

[MikeMelga 7,345]

4 hours ago, yesterday said:

MM is just an Tesla Fan boy and talks FUD, to defend them, its quite sad really.

You keep making FUD all over the place. Your original statement was about extra insurance to put EVs in garage, which is clearly FUD. Nothing specific to Tesla!

Then when numbers don't go your way, you do attack Tesla with single accidents. That's 101 FUD.

 

I'm a fanboy of not letting FUD pass, either against Tesla or against EVs.

[MikeMelga 7,345]

5 hours ago, Krieg said:

You said NO Tesla 3 had spontaneously combusted, then one case was brought up proving you WRONG and now you say it was not the car, blah blah.

That case was most likely caused by the CHARGER or the ELECTRIC INSTALLATION burning up, NOT THE FUCKING CAR.

 

And my bad was to defend individual cases. Tesla sold welll over 1 million Model 3 and you and your FUD buddy take ONE "potential" case and make a forest out of a tree.

Congrats, you just showed how FUD works and in the process ended up showing how good Tesla are.

[yesterday 2,039]

My comment was about whether the insurance company would be happy to insure an EV being charged in an Tief garage, that could cause other problems to the flats above, if in rare case, that it set on fire during charging, as the fire is especially intense.

 

I was told to tidy my TG, along with other residents, because the insurance company, would not pay if a fire broke out, and there was a lot of other burning stuff in the TG

 

That was just a question, whether more insurance is required to cover this situation.

[yesterday 2,039]

1 hour ago, MikeMelga said:

That case was most likely caused by the CHARGER or the ELECTRIC INSTALLATION burning up, NOT THE FUCKING CAR.

 

And my bad was to defend individual cases. Tesla sold welll over 1 million Model 3 and you and your FUD buddy take ONE "potential" case and make a forest out of a tree.

Congrats, you just showed how FUD works and in the process ended up showing how good Tesla are.

 

No you made the statement, NO Model 3 has ever had a fire.

 

All people did here was to show you that in fact they do set on fire, through various cases, does not matter if the charger sent to much current that caused the car to burn up, the car should be designed to protect it self, does not matter if they drove over something and broke the battery protection ... it happens Tesla Model 3 do get set on fire

 

However, very seldom, is of course granted

 

This is what you said 

 

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It's FUD.

 

1) Both ICE and EVs can self combust while stopped.

2) Evs are 10x less likely to catch fire than ICE cars. Sure, the Chevy Bolt is crap, but for example the Model 3, AFAIK, hasn't had a single self combustion incident after 5 years and over 1 million cars sold! All those examples with Tesla self combustion were Model S with older battery tech.

"

 

From the previous page

[circuits 314]

56 minutes ago, yesterday said:

My comment was about whether the insurance company would be happy to insure an EV being charged in an Tief garage, that could cause other problems to the flats above, if in rare case, that it set on fire during charging, as the fire is especially intense.

 

I recently got a quote from HUK for insuring the Cupra Born and the rate was 50 euro cheaper if it was parked in a Tiefgarage

[yesterday 2,039]

thats good to hear

 

 

[circuits 314]

The Deutsche Feuerwehr Verband stated that EVs are no more dangerous than combustion engines when parked underground:

 

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Keine erhöhte Brandgefahr durch in Tiefgaragen abgestellte Elektrofahrzeuge

 

„Aufgrund der aktuellen Berichterstattung in den verschiedensten Medien erscheint es wichtig zu betonen, dass auch Elektrofahrzeuge von den Einsatzkräften der Feuerwehr gelöscht werden können“ 

 

https://www.feuerwehrverband.de/keine-erhoehte-brandgefahr-durch-in-tiefgaragen-abgestellte-elektrofahrzeuge/

[MikeMelga 7,345]

1 hour ago, yesterday said:

 

No you made the statement, NO Model 3 has ever had a fire.

Read it again or go back to school. I did not say that.

 

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"...but for example the Model 3, AFAIK, hasn't had a single self combustion incident after 5 years and over 1 million cars sold! All those examples with Tesla self combustion were Model S with older battery tech.

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From the previous page

 

Please read it. I didn't said No model 3 had ever had a fire.

[MikeMelga 7,345]

30 minutes ago, yesterday said:

thats good to hear

 

 

Of course, your crazy theory has no ground. Just FUD.

[Eric7 555]

Maybe an interesting deal for anyone considering the Cupra Born: Link

Private leasing, 5 months delivery time.
37,220 € List price
269 € pm
The deposit is equal to the BAFA-Umweltbonus.

 

In my opinion, leasing makes a lot of sense with EVs at the moment. The technology is advancing very quickly and leasing means not being stuck with an outdated model which will be hard to sell. Make sure it's Kilometerleasing rather than Restwertleasing though!

 

[Gambatte 980]

Again:

my crappy benzin car costed me ca 5500Є purchase few years ago, and then 85 Є/month average. 

This includes tax, insurance, petrol, all repairs by the local garage, parking, speeding tickets, motorway tools when abroad, swapping tires etc, taking the family (and bicycles) to Italy and back regularly (from S.-H.), and everything else.

And I wish it was cheaper.

 

But yes, it's a cheap car that looks cheap and some would not be happy with it.

I almost spend more for the bicycles.

 

Just saying...

[fraufruit 42,667]

The Munich Hyundai handler has been stringing us along for too long. Himself found our exact car sans solar roof in Hanover. He his going to pick it up tomorrow. They are giving us an excellent price for our old car - more than we would have asked for it. The original guy is letting us out of our contract.

 

We don't think we will miss the solar roof as we park in a tiefgarage most of the year and only outside during the summer at our marina. They have chargers. As has been said, the solar roof doesn't bring much anyway.

 

We took the old car - 11yr. old Skoda Superb - through TÜV yesterday. It passed with flying colors as it has done every time.

 

We're excited!

[kiplette 8,800]

Brilliant. Hope everything goes smoothly.

[MikeMelga 7,345]

@fraufruit, I spent yesterday 1h with a sales person from Hyundai and they configure the car to drive in a similar way to an ICE car. Keep healthy skepticism, as EVs are much better and it's stupid to emulate an old car. Example: their default settings simply don't allow one-pedal driving. And they configure roll-on mode, which again defeats one-pedal driving.

As soon as you get used to one-pedal driving, you won't go back!

[circuits 314]

There are a couple of variations on one-pedal driving depending on the manufacturer:

 

You take your foot off the accelerator pedal the car begins regenerative braking until:

 

1. the car doesn't stop but keeps creeping forward until you step on the brake pedal

2. the car comes to a complete stop. Here's how to configure the Ioniq 5 for this mode:

https://www.northscottsdalehyundai.com/blog/how-to-use-the-2022-hyundai-ioniq-5-i-pedal/amp/

 

Other topic: VW's MEB factory in Zwickau is shutdown this week (at least!) because their EV wiring harness manufacturer, Leoni (with 7000 employees), is located in the Ukraine. Not sure what VW has planned for an alternative supplier but I expect massive delays with the delivery of my Cupra Born - and frankly I don't care considering the outrageous tragedy of a war of aggression taking place in the Ukraine. VW's CEO offered to fly out all the employees but by then conscription had begun. I suspect many of those employees would have stayed anyway. Slavi Ukraini.

 

 

 

 

[fraufruit 42,667]

I'm sure Himself will have the seller help him set up the car how he wants it. He will be spending the night before driving home and will spend the evening reading the manuel.

[circuits 314]

1 hour ago, fraufruit said:

I'm sure Himself will have the seller help him set up the car how he wants it. He will be spending the night before driving home and will spend the evening reading the manuel.

 

With cars like these, I'm sure you mean "spending the evenings"