Electric vehicles in Germany - all the ins-and-outs!

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In Schneemodus with the Ioniq 5, it goes into 4WD. At least that is the option we will have.

 

Moot point. We almost never drive in such conditions.

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1 hour ago, fraufruit said:

In Schneemodus with the Ioniq 5, it goes into 4WD. At least that is the option we will have.

 

Moot point. We almost never drive in such conditions.

 

Yeah, for anyone who's curious: the base model Ioniq 5 with 58kWh has RWD and it's another 4k for AWD or 8k for the AWD+72,6kWh.

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11 hours ago, yesterday said:

 

Electric vehicle fires are rare, but hard to fight — here’s why

Electric vehicle fires are rare, but hard to fight — here's why (cnbc.com)

 

 

Maybe take insurance if you are going to put in a under ground garage

 

Maybe stop the drama and FUD. ICE cars also burn, and even when parked.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/08/business/hyundai-kia-fire-recall/index.html

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The recommended state of charge for EV transport (and Lithium Ion batteries in general) is 30% - at which charge level it's extremely difficult to combust, let alone sustain a fire.

 

This kind of news coverage fuels the incorrect belief that it's akin to throwing a lit match in a fireworks factory, which couldn't be further from the truth.

 

Very curious to see the post-mortem on this cargo ship fire.

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2 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

Maybe stop the drama and FUD. ICE cars also burn, and even when parked.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/08/business/hyundai-kia-fire-recall/index.html

It's not FUD to point out EV fires - when they occur - are spectactularly more dangerous than any ICE vehicles and that's with the small batteries they use.  To write it off as FUD rather than it be generally known so the "authorities" can prepare themselves with the correct equipment being available to deal with those fires is as dangerous.

 

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2 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

Maybe stop the drama and FUD. ICE cars also burn, and even when parked.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/08/business/hyundai-kia-fire-recall/index.html

 

This is not FUD !

 

This news comes from an respected   news source CNBC

 

Its a fact that, although the risk is low, there is a chance EV can catch fire by them-self's, more often while on charge. Sure ICE cars catch fire as well,. But because ICE cars out sell EV's many times over, it looks like its more of a problem for ICE cares, which its not. Its just there are many more ICE cars out there, than EV's

 

EV's fires are more difficult to put out then ICE cars, comes from the fire department, who know about this as they deal with it.

 

Just because it something you do not like to hear it, does not mean its FUD, you should accept both sides of the coin!

 

If an EV catches fire while in a teif garage on charge, which is the most likely time it will happen, although rare, and causes the rest of the apartment building to catch fire, who will pay for the damages ???, maybe its worth asking  your insurance about it.

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23 minutes ago, yesterday said:

 

This is not FUD !

 

This news comes from an respected   news source CNBC

 

Its a fact that, although the risk is low, there is a chance EV can catch fire by them-self's, more often while on charge. Sure ICE cars catch fire as well,. But because ICE cars out sell EV's many times over, it looks like its more of a problem for ICE cares, which its not. Its just there are many more ICE cars out there, than EV's

 

EV's fires are more difficult to put out then ICE cars, comes from the fire department, who know about this as they deal with it.

 

Just because it something you do not like to hear it, does not mean its FUD, you should accept both sides of the coin!

 

If an EV catches fire while in a teif garage on charge, which is the most likely time it will happen, although rare, and causes the rest of the apartment building to catch fire, who will pay for the damages ???, maybe its worth asking  your insurance about it.

It's FUD.

 

1) Both ICE and EVs can self combust while stopped.

2) Evs are 10x less likely to catch fire than ICE cars. Sure, the Chevy Bolt is crap, but for example the Model 3, AFAIK, hasn't had a single self combustion incident after 5 years and over 1 million cars sold! All those examples with Tesla self combustion were Model S with older battery tech.

 

More examples of ICE self-combustion, including an article mentioning 6.5 million cars in danger.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/diesel-ram-trucks-recalled-for-fire-risk-a8454957228/

https://www.click2houston.com/consumer/2021/06/21/millions-of-vehicles-are-at-risk-of-catching-fire-is-yours-one-of-them/?outputType=amp

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4 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

the Model 3, AFAIK, hasn't had a single self combustion incident after 5 years and over 1 million cars sold! All those examples with Tesla self combustion were Model S with older battery tech.

 

What about this then 

 

https://carbuzz.com/news/this-is-teslas-latest-public-relations-nightmare

 

Try telling the owners of these Model 3 and Model S Plaid , that there cars did not catch fire! watch the video - even watch the CNBC video

 

It should be said " Tesla recently found that its cars are 11 times less likely to catch fire than gas and diesel-powered cars", but when they do catch fire its more intense and its harder to put out.

 

Or this guy https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-model-3-owner-begs-elon-musk-to-investigate-fire-in-his-car-174302.html

I ask MM to look at the picture of a Model 3 on fire, and MM will still tell me its all FUD and its never happened to a Model 3

 

Or another Model 3 fire that MM tells us that it never happened https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-fire-shanghai-battery-damage-chinese-media-report-2021-1

 

and the list goes on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents#Tesla_Model_S,_3,_X,_and_Y

 

The list is end less

 

As you say, there are only a couple of million EV on the roads today, while ICE cars sell over 70 Million per year, pre covid and chip shortage, which is part of the reason you hear more about ICE fires.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Everything that is not positive about an EV and specially about Tesla is FUD

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13 minutes ago, yesterday said:

 

What about this then 

 

https://carbuzz.com/news/this-is-teslas-latest-public-relations-nightmare

 

Try telling the owners of these Model 3 and Model S Plaid , that there cars did not catch fire! watch the video - even watch the CNBC video

Sure, pick one case and make a forest out of a tree. Worst, your example was with a moving vehicle, nothing about garages. Worst, that case was later known to be done on purpose, for stock swing manipulation, i've reported about it before.

Regarding the Model 3 that burned while charging, it was not established if the fire started on the car or on the charger, but more likely started in a bad charger installation, because "strangely" the fire started on the side of the charger and not somewhere else on the battery.

 

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It should be said " Tesla recently found that its cars are 11 times less likely to catch fire than gas and diesel-powered cars", but when they do catch fire its more intense and its harder to put out.

 

Or this guy https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-model-3-owner-begs-elon-musk-to-investigate-fire-in-his-car-174302.html

I ask MM to look at the picture of a Model 3 on fire, and MM will still tell me its all FUD and its never happened to a Model 3

Want me to flood this discussion with reports of ICE cars self combusting? Look at the stats and stop pulling individual cases.

 

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Or another Model 3 fire that MM tells us that it never happened https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-fire-shanghai-battery-damage-chinese-media-report-2021-1

The car was damaged underneath before it started the fire... it's clearly stated...

 

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No, that list shows exactly the one in Shangai, nothing else.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Krieg said:

Everything that is not positive about an EV and specially about Tesla is FUD

Woke up butt up, did we?

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You said NO Tesla 3 had spontaneously combusted, then one case was brought up proving you WRONG and now you say it was not the car, blah blah.   I don't really understand why you have to white-knight everything Tesla, it is OK to be a fan and to dispute blatant lies, but come on.   Yes sure, we all understand that EVs get on fire less often than ICEs, but it can still happen.  And when they do the fire is much more difficult to control and fire brigades around the world have to be prepared for this.

 

Why so scared to be wrong?   You remind me of @Darkknight , I hope he is doing well.

 

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1 hour ago, MikeMelga said:

It's FUD.

 

1) Both ICE and EVs can self combust while stopped.

2) Evs are 10x less likely to catch fire than ICE cars. Sure, the Chevy Bolt is crap, but for example the Model 3, AFAIK, hasn't had a single self combustion incident after 5 years and over 1 million cars sold! All those examples with Tesla self combustion were Model S with older battery tech.

 

More examples of ICE self-combustion, including an article mentioning 6.5 million cars in danger.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/diesel-ram-trucks-recalled-for-fire-risk-a8454957228/

https://www.click2houston.com/consumer/2021/06/21/millions-of-vehicles-are-at-risk-of-catching-fire-is-yours-one-of-them/?outputType=amp

 

Not it's not, you just don't like to hear it.

Why are you pointedly referring to "self combustion".  There's these other things that happen when vehicles are moving which can quite clearly result in combustion.

I wonder how long it would take to put out a fire completely on a HGV EV

 

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2 minutes ago, bennetn said:

Why are you pointedly referring to "self combustion".  There's these other things that happen when vehicles are moving which can quite clearly re

 

It is obvious, because it is what has less chance to happen.  The real danger of batteries is being pierced or strongly hit, which normally happens in a collision.  You can make a dangerous fire or explosion by piercing the tiny battery in your smartphone.

 

 

 

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MM is just an Tesla Fan boy and talks FUD, to defend them, its quite sad really.

 

this thread is about "Electric vehicles in Germany - all the ins-and-outs!"

 

Stating that EV's can catch fire is about the ins-and-outs, and they are generally much worse than ICE car fires is just a fact.

 

MM FUDding, to defend EV's does not help

 

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On the Audi & Porsche models I've done any work on, the area around the battery is specifically strengthened against all kinds of collisions, far more than a fuel tank is on a traditional ICE.
No idea about what safety measures are taken on a Tesla but I'd be surprised if the battery was badly exposed to potential damage in a collision.

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I expect that in 10 years in the action movies they will shout:  SHOOT AT THE BATTERY PACK!!!!!!

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