Posted 30 Dec 2022 My new favorite source, BrianGitt on Twitter. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 31 Dec 2022 20 hours ago, fraufruit said: My new favorite source, BrianGitt on Twitter. Yep, someone who is a rabid fossil fuels enthusiast will always post true and reliable info on green energy and EVs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 7 January In the UK there are EV tariffs and overnight tariffs for electricity. There is nothing like that here is there? It’s cheaper for me to use petrol in my PHEV than to charge it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 7 January 5 hours ago, Adem137 said: In the UK there are EV tariffs and overnight tariffs for electricity. There is nothing like that here is there? It’s cheaper for me to use petrol in my PHEV than to charge it. I would be very interested to know from someone on here with an E-car what it actually costs now for an on street fast charge and using that figure work out and compare it to the current cost of benzine for a similar size/type ICE car for say a journey of 100km. Apologies if that has already been posted earlier in this thread but please no links to manufactures or review sites I'm looking for real life info! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 7 January On average, an EV uses 22kW per 100 km. You can do the rest. We are too busy giggling over here. There are way too many variables. For one thing, fast chargers have different rates. Benzin prices go up and down. And so forth. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 7 January Just charged a Ioniq 5 in Portugal at a street charger for around 5€/100km. Maximum I paid was around 8€/100km. In both cases cheaper than diesel. Of course at home in Portugal I can charge over night at 9c/kWh, so that's around 2€/100km. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 7 January 6 hours ago, fraufruit said: On average, an EV uses 22kW per 100 km. That tells me absolutely nothing! I wasn't looking for an average and I needed to know the cost not how much power or indeed how many litres, I can't do the rest because we all know that their are lies, statistics and car makers mileage figures! I was hoping for some actual facts from EV users. 1 hour ago, MikeMelga said: Just charged a Ioniq 5 in Portugal at a street charger for around 5€/100km. Maximum I paid was around 8€/100km. In both cases cheaper than diesel. Of course at home in Portugal I can charge over night at 9c/kWh, so that's around 2€/100km. Thanks Mike that is the type info I was looking for. Is the cost higher here in Germany? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January We still get a discount from Hyundai when charging so difficult to give a true figure. This will be over in February. What I can say is that we drive 250 km. and then fully charge for € 18 (with the discount). That is our halfway point when driving to Slovenia. Sorry for being so obtuse but there are many variables. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January What's it like on a long haul trip - seems to be a lot of range anxiety out there. For local stuff obviously won't be a problem as you can charge at night. How often do you need to charge and how long does it take? On a long trip my wife and I stop every 250-300K but some people are really good at hauling ass. My one student for example went to Disney land Paris from Frankfurt for the day, drove straight through non stop. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January I did the maths and came to ca. 4 euros / 100km. But if you have your demister, aircon, windscreen wipers and headlights on going up a steep hill you are not going far on 100km indicative. If the wind is behind you downhill on a warm day you will go more than 100km. For long haul I would not risk an EV. Way to go. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January 3 hours ago, Rushrush said: On a long trip my wife and I stop every 250-300K That's what we've always done and still do with our EV. It takes 18 minutes to charge with fast chargers which is all we have used these 11 months. Enough time to go to the powder room and have a coffee or lunch. Stretch the legs a bit. We are going on a longer trip to Italy in March. It will be new territory. Himself already has a charging plan. We will have to stop twice for charging which is OK. I think it's about a 600 km trip each way. Maybe a little more. Our driving style has changed. We almost obey the speed limits. Also, we seem to always be running the AC or heating as well as the seat heating/cooling accordingly. Oh, and headlights. Wipers when needed, of course. I will admit that it took about a month or two to get relaxed about these things not using up too much energy. I no longer give a thought about adjusting my electric seat position, etc. It helps that we are retired and have zero time restraints when we travel. If it ever happens that we can't find a fast charger, our seats recline flat and footrests come up so we could nap if we wanted. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January Good info thanks. The reason I asked is that my wife's car is now over 10 years old with high mileage so probably not long before something very expensive will happen. Fortunately she will no longer need it for work and a long distance commute by the middle of next year so we are looking at maybe an EV to replace it, we live in the city and have no garage and whilst we do sublet a tief-garage space we have no option to get a charger installed there. On the other hand we do have a street charging station right by us. I am interested in your thoughts on this or whether you think we should just give up on a car and use out e-bikes and €49,- tickets (if and when) and just maybe get a rental/carshare if we need a car? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January I was curious... and Ionity now charge €0.79 which means 100Km = €17. Which I guess is more or less what you'd pay for petrol or diesel. The Stutgart-Stadtwerk chargers I see around here are now €0.75 for new customers and EnBW are not much less, unless you pay a monthly fee (and then obviously the overall cost depends on how much you use it). Sadly it seems it's not really cheaper than petrol or diesel, or at least not by much. Which is very annoying as it should be. I save lots of money not having a car, even though I kind of want one and renting one for a weekend is pretty easy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January 21 minutes ago, Dembo said: Sadly it seems it's not really cheaper than petrol or diesel I disagree especially when considering maintenance costs. Each person has different needs/wants. We are happy not to be polluting any more for one thing. Also nice not to have to put on plastic gloves and pump stinky diesel any more then go in and pay. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January 29 minutes ago, Dembo said: Sadly it seems it's not really cheaper than petrol or diesel, or at least not by much. Which is very annoying as it should be. It is much cheaper than petrol or diesel. You don't charge everyday on those expensive chargers, some companies offer free charging, and some EVs, like Tesla, have much better efficiency. My all time average on the Tesla is 18.2kWh /100km, and I drive usually above 150-170km/h on the Autobahn. My Tesla phone app makes the math for all charging costs (home, work, supercharger, others) and compares with monthly petrol costs. I'm saving around 200€ per month now, as I can charge for free on my wife's company. Here is a description: https://electrek.co/2022/02/01/tesla-charge-stats-feature-owners-more-access-info-savings/ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January 32 minutes ago, Dembo said: Sadly it seems it's not really cheaper than petrol or diesel, or at least not by much. Which is very annoying as it should be. Yes that is sad particularly when you take into account the high initial outlay even with subsidies. Looks like it only makes sense if you have your own charger or access to a free one! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January 5 hours ago, Rushrush said: What's it like on a long haul trip - seems to be a lot of range anxiety out there. For local stuff obviously won't be a problem as you can charge at night. How often do you need to charge and how long does it take? On a long trip my wife and I stop every 250-300K but some people are really good at hauling ass. My one student for example went to Disney land Paris from Frankfurt for the day, drove straight through non stop. Depends on the country and on the car. On a Tesla, you have the best charging network. You can now also use it with non-Tesla, which I highly recommend. The supercharger network is just amazing, no issues. On a long range Tesla, at highway speeds, you do 250-350km non stop, then charge for some 15-25min, then go again. Your target should be to arrive to the charging station with around 10-20% of charge. And then charge up to 80%. Above 80% the charging speed drops considerably. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January I read an article somewhere recently in which it was claimed that the average car owner makes far fewer trips that would require an intermediate charge than they believe they make. The article went on to state that as people get used to EV tech, they will appreciate that taking car x with the smaller battery is actually the sensible choice, as the batteries are the most expensive component in any battery powered EV. I wish I could find the link as I found the article quite enlightening. I was also of the opinion that bigger must be better, but it may not be, at least not financially. Basically it's not logical to have an EV with a massive battery if you only drive 50km a day to work and back and maybe drive a long distance once or twice a year. It makes more sense to take the smaller battery and then just plan a couple of recharge breaks into your rare long distance trips, rather than lug a heavy and expensive battery around for the rest of the year when you don't need the capacity 95% of the year. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 8 January 2 hours ago, optimista said: But if you have your demister, aircon, windscreen wipers and headlights on going up a steep hill you are not going far on 100km indicative. If the wind is behind you downhill on a warm day you will go more than 100km. For long haul I would not risk an EV. Way to go. 100% disagree. A Tesla or a Ioniq 5 do long haul easily. I'm sure other cars can do the same. I've done 1400km on the Ioniq 5 this summer, no issue. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
