Former Pope Benedict failed to act over abuse, new report finds

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On 1/1/2023, 8:41:39, Fietsrad said:

OK, not the nuns or the priests, who could run it?

 

Priests and nuns that are allowed to get married.

[hooperski 29,416]

11 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

Priests and nuns that are allowed to get married.

 

That would make a charade, of the whole charade.

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Just now, hooperski said:

 

That would make a charade, of the whole charade.

 

Then what would be the solution?    Closing the Churches?  Unfortunately it seems plenty of people still need dogmas and faiths in their lives.   Plus almost every country in the world includes in their Constitution the right to have a religion.

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3 hours ago, Gambatte said:

After all much of what the Church does - or should supposedly do - consist in alleviating suffering of humans. I don't think this should stop.

I am just fine with people believing whatever they need to get them through the tough times, it's a cruel world out there, but I don't believe the religious should be allowed to have a monopoly on 'goodness', we should all be doing what we can, and it shouldn't require us to believe in anything more than the fact that we are all in this together.

 

I would see the churches and the synagogues and the mosques and the temples reduced back to their status as club-houses for the faithful where those who choose to believe can go and worship together, I see no need for the rest of us to be involved, and I think actively enabling this irrationality in society by abdicating our responsibility for the state of the world to some higher power is damaging for us all

 

This is not really a subject I want to be drawn on any further, but any god that could let my wife die the way she did has no place in my world..

 

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6 hours ago, Tap said:

 

To be fair, primary school is very different to secondary school.  Parents are still very much involved with primary school children on a daily basis.  Where I was, we were allowed to see our parents only on one particular Sunday a month and only for a few hours.   If our parents could visit, that was fine, but if they couldn’t, then the students only saw their parents during the school holidays.  The nuns had complete control over us and everything we did for most of those developing teenage years.

 

 

It took me 3 attemts to get through that film.  The woman the story is based on, Philomena Lee, is still alive and has done a lot to bring attention to what had gone on back then.

 

I agree. My daughter attended a catholic primary school in the UK. I knew it was nothing like the secondary convent school I had attended that was very traumatising. OFSTED reports rated the primary school highest in our county. There were no nuns or monks on the teaching or management staff just an occasional visiting elderly priest. 
 

Christian schools here in DE are often considered very good though not necessarily run by nuns or monks. Just before my daughter’s Abitur here, we learned about ongoing sexual abuse legal action against monks in the 1980’s. Apparently, since then there were only very few monks on the management and teaching staff.
 

I too found it difficult to watch any films or documentaries that bring to attention abuse by catholic significant persons. However, it’s almost like there’s a strange need to watch to dispel the trauma of one’s own troubling experiences. Feeling not alone with such feelings helps to heal somewhat. Nothing physical happened to me thankfully as I was a very cowering teenager. My friends were often caned for the most minor offences. My school experience did however significantly affect my ongoing introvert tendencies. 
 

Troubling yet interesting…Netflix’s documentary, The Keepers. 

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I remember seeing Ricky Gervais on a chat show discussing his atheism. The bit I recall most was Ricky asking the host how many gods out of the approximate 3000 widely accepted to exist, did he believe in. Only one, the Christian host replied. So Ricky questioned how bad it is to believe in just one less god?

 

Outside of Catholicism, which other religion dictates that leaders etc cannot marry/must be celibate?

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56 minutes ago, pappnase said:

I don't believe the religious should be allowed to have a monopoly on 'goodness'

 

I agree.

And I also think no such monopoly is in place. I happen to be catholic and I see plenty of goodness in people who do not believe.

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50 minutes ago, emkay said:

My friends were often caned for the most minor offences.

 

I was caned.  One evening, I decided not to go to Rosary, which we had every evening.  I went to my dormitory instead because I didn't feel well, and a nun caught me there.  I was taken to the Mother superiour's office and caned.  After 4 years in the school, I told my Mother that I didn't want to go back, and thankfully, she found a day school in Dublin that agreed to take me, life got better after that.

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When I was a child, we had a Dutch rabbit. They are by nature mild, gentle and loving pets. Coco was a male rabbit. In the house, we kept him in a cage, but would let him out everyday to play with us in the backyard, as we five children were all under the age of 7.
After a few years, his personality changed. He became aggressive; he snarled, bared his teeth, and wouldn't let us pet him or pick him up. My mother started to worry.

One winter day, he suddenly attacked my youngest brother. The rabbit bit him on the leg, and held on for dear life. Fortunately for my brother, he was wearing a thickly padded snowsuit, but that was it for my mother. She looked to give the rabbit away.

We had a Milkman (Bill), who knew everyone in the area. He took Coco away to a farm. When we kids asked about him, Bill said that he was very happy, making lots of little bunnies.

People forget that nuns, priests, and members of the clergy are just humans. Humans are a higher form of animal, but often the physical and mental needs of the body are forgotten (when talking about the Church). Priests are taught that masturbation is a sin, nuns go through menopause like every other woman, and we all know what that can do to one. Physically and mentally.

Mandatory celibacy is a form of control assertion, no matter how interpreted, which often borders on the sadistic.

 

 

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5 hours ago, hooperski said:

That would make a charade, of the whole charade.

 

It only became a rule in 1139, after a thousand years of not requiring it.

 

Presumably Pope Gregory VII couldn't get himself a wife and wanted to spread his misery. 

 

It's nuts.

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Priests and nuns are themselves hoodwinked, misguided victims created by the RC church. They are not allowed any warm, loving relationship with another earthling and are therefore necessarily emotionally stunted and sexually frustrated. I heard that from an ex-nun. It is a cruel and unnecessary existance. I pity them for the deprivation they suffer. Human touch is just as much a form of nourishment as the stuff we put in our mouths.

 

The anguish they suffer is visible in their eyes.