Former Pope Benedict failed to act over abuse, new report finds

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60070132

 

[kaffeemitmilch 1,294]

In other news, birds lay eggs 

[scook17 247]

I guess no one understands why the Church, or actually any organization for that matter fails to act.

I guess its an ethical problem where they prefer the burry the head in the sand solution.

If they investigate the case, and it turns out likely, they have two choices. Quietly retire the priest or bring it to a public prosecution.

The quiet choice is likely what most commercial organizations do, but it likely does not sit well with the Church.

As this issue has been known for a long time now, damage to reputation is done, so I fail to see why they don't clean up the house.

It's what most people expect.

 

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Food for thought here: https://www.tremr.com/161kilnfarm/why-the-roman-catholic-church-is-the-largest-crime-organization-in-the-world

 

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and today I read on the Local: https://www.thelocal.de/20221231/chancellor-scholz-remembers-former-pope-benedict-as-formative-figure

 

"In a separate statement, President Frank-Walter Steinmeier described Benedict as someone who "has made dialogue between faith and reason his life's work". ... Steinmeier also noted that Benedict had been confronted by the sex abuse scandal that had rocked the Catholic Church worldwide. He "knew of the great suffering of the victims and the immense damage to the credibility of the Catholic Church," said Steinmeier. "

- Really! F-W, maybe you should just stick to saying nice things about the Russians.

[Fietsrad 386]

I favor handing over the running of the catholic church to the nuns, I think there are enough of them.

[Tap 8,460]

26 minutes ago, Fietsrad said:

I favor handing over the running of the catholic church to the nuns, I think there are enough of them.

 

No, I don’t agree that the running of the church should be handed over to the nuns.  Have you heard about the mother and baby homes run by nuns in Ireland?  Here are a couple of  links.

https://www.humanium.org/en/a-shameful-chapter-of-irish-history-mother-and-baby-homes/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_and_Baby_Homes_Commission_of_Investigation

 

I spent 4 years in a boarding school run by nuns, and it was awful.  Apart of one nun I remember who was very kind, the rest were cruel and unhappy women, and I wouldn’t put them in charge of anything.

[john g. 37,689]

2 minutes ago, Tap said:

 

No, I don’t agree that the running of the church should be handed over to the nuns.  Have you heard about the mother and baby homes run by nuns in Ireland?  Here are a couple of  links.

 

https://www.humanium.org/en/a-shameful-chapter-of-irish-history-mother-and-baby-homes/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_and_Baby_Homes_Commission_of_Investigation

 

 

I spent 4 years in a boarding school run by nuns, and it was awful.  Apart of one nun I remember who was very kind, the rest were cruel and unhappy women, and I wouldn’t put them in charge of anything.

 

Blues Brothers v the Nun

 

https://www.google.de/search?q=Blues+Brothers+and+the+num+scene&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-de&client=safari#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:a1a44087,vid:uDcP9uSMra4

[Fietsrad 386]

OK, not the nuns or the priests, who could run it?

[pappnase 2,573]

Why does it need to be 'run' at all? Just shut it down.

Any essential services which are currently undertaken by the church could be done by nation-states or by other non-religious charity organisations.

 

[Fietsrad 386]

The churches are losing members at a significant rate, but fortunately the government pays them a lot of money.

 

There is talk of stopping the transfer payments in exchange for a one-off settlement. How much? €10bn has been mentioned.

[emkay 10,159]

21 hours ago, Tap said:

 

No, I don’t agree that the running of the church should be handed over to the nuns.  Have you heard about the mother and baby homes run by nuns in Ireland?  Here are a couple of  links.

 

https://www.humanium.org/en/a-shameful-chapter-of-irish-history-mother-and-baby-homes/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_and_Baby_Homes_Commission_of_Investigation

 

 

I spent 4 years in a boarding school run by nuns, and it was awful.  Apart of one nun I remember who was very kind, the rest were cruel and unhappy women, and I wouldn’t put them in charge of anything.

 

I too attended a secondary convent boarding school though thankfully only as a day pupil. My parents let some boarder friends (with their parent’s approval of course) spend weekends at our home. Their time as boarders was just horrendous. Same as your recollection, only one young nun was nice, the rest were pure evil. 
 

Not long ago, I learned that there are ongoing legal cases against monks at my daughter’s former catholic school. Sexual abuse of pupils  etc going back to the 1980’s. 

I can’t get the links just now though the film Spotlight is based on a true story. If I recall correctly, The Boston Globe’s investigative journalists researched pedophile priests. Extensive research found a very high percentage of such priests. The victims, most often from poor families readily accepted the church’s settlements. The priest were generally relocated elsewhere. The story was eventually published just around the same time as 9/11 so fell under the radar somewhat. 
 

Also, Netflix’s recent release of Vatican Girl. Certainly raises lots of suspicion and possible involvement of the higher echelons of the Vatican into a young girl’s mysterious disappearance.

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My wife and her sister had to endure being brought up by Nuns for many years in a convent.

My wife said it was the worst years of her life, and put her off of religion for ever.

Some of the Nuns there were twisted humans, hiding behind the cloak of piousness.

Obviously the Roman Catholic Church is way too big and far reaching to ever be brought to justice.

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, Tap said:

I spent 4 years in a boarding school run by nuns, and it was awful.

 

There used to be a school "The Convent" run by nuns adjacent to my school in Stockport.

 

My mother, who was a teacher, used to coach local school kids (this was 40+ year ago).  One such girl went to the Convent.  The girl kept falling ill & eventually the mother called the doctor to come & visit.  The Doctor (wise old guy) went up to the bedroom & cheerfully said "Hows school" at which point the girl burst into tears.

Doctor came down & handed the mother a prescription.  On it stood "Change the school".

 

Some time later the Convent closed down & my old school bought it up - and at the same time went co-educational since they felt they owed further education to the girls who were attending the Convent when it closed.

[White Rose of Yorkshire 1,088]

The film Philomena with a brilliant Judi Dench in the main role is about a young unmarried woman who became pregnant. As a single woman who had committed a „sin“, she had to go and live in a convent to work and have her baby. Women like her had to work all day and were allowed one hour per day with their children. After five years all women knew that the day would come, when they went to spend the daily hour with their children that they would find an empty bed. The nuns gave the children to adoptive parents after five years and the women had to leave the convent the next day. It is hinted that the nuns recieved money from  the adoptive parents for the children. The heartbreaking thing is, this is a true story.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philomena_(film)

 

 

[Gambatte 897]

My sister and I both attended primary school runs by nuns. I don't remember a single unhappy child there. Just our experience.

 

21 hours ago, pappnase said:

Any essential services which are currently undertaken by the church could be done by nation-states or by other non-religious charity organisations.

Not saying there's no bad within the Church. And not justyfing lack of action against it.. 

But only the Church can administer sacraments. So no, there's stuff the Church does that cannot be done by anything or anyone else.

Fine if one sees them as not essentials. But christians do.

[Tap 8,460]

1 hour ago, Gambatte said:

My sister and I both attended primary school runs by nuns. I don't remember a single unhappy child there. Just our experience.

 

To be fair, primary school is very different to secondary school.  Parents are still very much involved with primary school children on a daily basis.  Where I was, we were allowed to see our parents only on one particular Sunday a month and only for a few hours.   If our parents could visit, that was fine, but if they couldn’t, then the students only saw their parents during the school holidays.  The nuns had complete control over us and everything we did for most of those developing teenage years.

5 hours ago, White Rose of Yorkshire said:

The film Philomena with a brilliant Judi Dench in the main role is about a young unmarried woman who became pregnant. As a single woman who had committed a „sin“, she had to go and live in a convent to work and have her baby. Women like her had to work all day and were allowed one hour per day with their children. After five years all women knew that the day would come, when they went to spend the daily hour with their children that they would find an empty bed. The nuns gave the children to adoptive parents after five years and the women had to leave the convent the next day. It is hinted that the nuns recieved money from  the adoptive parents for the children. The heartbreaking thing is, this is a true story

 

 

It took me 3 attemts to get through that film.  The woman the story is based on, Philomena Lee, is still alive and has done a lot to bring attention to what had gone on back then.

 

[pappnase 2,573]

3 hours ago, Gambatte said:

only the Church can administer sacraments

I would be fine if they restricted themselves to administering the sacraments and conducting religious ceremonies . If that was the limit of their action then it wouldn't matter who was in charge.

 

EDIT to add: Oh and if I didn't have to pay the wages of priests, that really gets my goat.

 

 

[Gambatte 897]

1 hour ago, pappnase said:

I would be fine if they restricted themselves to administering the sacraments and conducting religious ceremonies.

I think most of the society would be against this, including perhaps most non Christians. After all much of what the Church does - or should supposedly do - consist in alleviating suffering of humans. I don't think this should stop.

Yes of course it can well be that some within the Church, while supposedly should be doing only good, do actually evil. But this is its own issue. 

 

1 hour ago, pappnase said:

If that was the limit of their action then it wouldn't matter who was in charge.

A non-clergy cannot administer baptism or communion.

 

1 hour ago, pappnase said:

EDIT to add: Oh and if I didn't have to pay the wages of priests, that really gets my goat.

Fair point. Not that I disagree, but although we do have some say in where our tax money go, that's only up to some limit.  

For any single item that is funded by our taxes, there's got to be many people that would rather not contribute towards it. You can vote, campaign, and run for office. But once decisions are taken, like funding A and/or B, unless/until decisions get changed we stick to them.

[Gambatte 897]

Look at the big evil done by us humans. The crusaders. The Europeans exterminating the indigenous in the New World. The Nazis. Bin Laden. North Korea. Whatever.

Of course each of them was allegedly in name of bla bla something good. In truth 9/11 was not caused by Islam, The Holocoust was good for nobody, 250000 of its own citizens in concentration camps is not good for North Korea, children abuses is always bad and it's even worse if done by members of the Church.

But ultimately it's us humans doing good or evil, driven only by greed envy and selfishness. Whatever argument we, or our leaders, put behind it's either an excuse to clean our guilt, or a tool to make it easier brainwashing the final perpetrators.