Johnson and Johnson now 3rd shot required

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I read that yesterday.  As far as I'm concerned I complied so I'm out.  Looking at England today this pandemic is almost over. It's nice to have guidelines like this but for purple who've had J&J it should now be personal choice. If they want another jab then fine.

 

Also is this just in Germany? If this was really following science and not 'The Science' this would be recommended everywhere globally.  Let me know if it is. 

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It's pathetic bureaucracy.  Just move back to 3G or you're feeding the hesitancy.

So many people I know are just saying "fuck this" as they don't want to be boostered every 3 months.  To what end? 

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as someone with seriously bad myocarditis from the vaccine, you are nuts if you are taking a 3rd booster

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Myocarditis: COVID-19 is a much bigger risk to the heart than vaccination

 

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Before COVID-19 the incidence of myocarditis was between one and 10 cases per 100,000 people per year. Rates are highest in males between 18 and 30 years old. Interestingly, most cases of myocarditis in the highest risk group are in otherwise healthy and active people.

 

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the risk of myocarditis after infection with COVID-19 is much higher, at 146 cases per 100,000. The risk is higher for males, older adults (ages 50+) and children under 16 years old. Soccer player Alphonso Davies, 21, of Canada’s national men’s team, was sidelined by heart inflammation after having COVID-19.

 

Post-vaccination myocarditis


Myocarditis following COVID-19 vaccination is rare and the risk is much smaller than the risks of cardiac injury linked to COVID-19 itself.

 

Based on a study out of Israel, the risk of post-vaccine myocarditis is 2.13 cases per 100,000 vaccinated, which is within the range usually seen in the general population. This study is consistent with others in the United States and Israel which put the overall incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis between 0.3 and five cases per 100,000 people.

 

The kids are alright


The highest incidence of myocarditis after vaccination with mRNA vaccines has occurred within three to four days after the second vaccination in males who are under age 30. In pediatric data, the median age is 15.8 years, with most patients being male (90.6 per cent) and white (66.2 per cent) or Hispanic (20.9 per cent). Reliable data on booster shots in this age group is not yet available.

 

Most studies show a clear benefit of COVID-19 mRNA vaccination with respect to myocarditis. Only one study by Martina Patone, from the University of Oxford, and colleagues found more ambiguous results for those under 40 years of age based on myocarditis rates alone. However, if considering the other ill effects of infection with SARS-CoV-2 — both cardiac and not — there was still a strong benefit in immunizing younger people with COVID-19 vaccines other than Moderna, which research suggests has a higher risk for myocarditis than Pfizer’s vaccine.

 

Repairing the damage


The treatment for myocarditis varies depending on its severity. Adults with mild forms of myocarditis typically need only rest and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS) like ibuprofen. More severe cases require medications or even mechanical circulatory supports like left ventricular assist devices to support heart function. In some cases when treatment is no longer effective, a heart transplant is required.

 

In a multicentre series of patients under 21 years old, those with mild symptoms received only NSAIDs or no anti-inflammatory therapy at all. Patients with more severe symptoms can receive stronger therapies including intravenous immunoglobulin, glucocorticoids or colchicine in addition to NSAIDs.



As someone with regular monitoring by a cardiologist since birth, who is prone to myocarditis due to congenital defect, my cardiologist told me exactly which booster to take and I did. Everything is fine here.

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For any of you in NRW in this situation, I've copied the relevant law below, which means that you are still counted as 2G+ immunised if your first shot was JJ, provided your booster is more than 14 and less than 90 days old (so you don't have to keep getting tests each day).

That means that you can arrange for another booster, three months after the last one, and not lose your fully immunised status.

I've highlighted the relevant section in bold:
 
Verordnung zum Schutz vor Neuinfizierungen mit dem Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 (Coronaschutzverordnung – CoronaSchVO) Vom 11. Januar 2022 In der ab dem 20. Januar 2022 gültigen Fassung
 
§ 2 Absatz 9
9.Über eine wirksame Auffrischungsimpfung im Sinne dieser Verordnung verfügt eine Person, die insgesamt drei Impfungen mit einem in der Europäischen Union zugelassenen Impfstoffe nach der unter https://www.pei.de/impfstoffe/covid-19 veröffentlichten Übersicht des Paul-Ehrlich-Institutes erhalten hat (auch bei jeglicher Kombination mit dem COVID-19 Impfstoff der Firma Janssen (Johnson & Johnson). Soweit diese Verordnung an eine Auffrischungsimpfung geringere Schutzmaßnahmen anknüpft, gelten diese auch für 
 1. geimpfte genesene Personen, also Personen, die eine mittels PCR-Test nachgewiesene Covid-19 Infektion hatten und davor oder danach mindestens eine Impfung erhalten haben, 
2. Personen mit einer zweimaligen Impfung, bei denen die zweite Impfung mehr als 14 aber weniger als 90 Tagen zurückliegt
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15 hours ago, Petro6golf said:

as someone with seriously bad myocarditis from the vaccine, you are nuts if you are taking a 3rd booster

The thing is that infection with coronavirus also poses a risk of developing myocarditis. And this risk is higher than that caused by vaccination.

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20 hours ago, Petro6golf said:

as someone with seriously bad myocarditis from the vaccine,

 

5 hours ago, jeba said:

infection with coronavirus also poses a risk of developing myocarditis.  And this risk is higher than that caused by vaccination.

 

Petrogolf already has the myocarditis, badly, so what's the point is showing how unusual that is? Too late for him. Up to his specialists now to advise him.

 

20 hours ago, AlexTr said:

Everything is fine here.

 

How unkind. He has become sick, and you haven't. 

 

Sorry that happened to you, Petrogolf. I know a lady who was rushed to the hospital with terrible effects from her first jab, and was lucky to survive. She and her doc agreed she was still better getting the second jab when it came, and then the booster. Advice can be surprising sometimes, but based on your best interests from your own docs, I hope.

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5 hours ago, jeba said:

The thing is that infection with coronavirus also poses a risk of developing myocarditis. And this risk is higher than that caused by vaccination.

 

The problem with that logic is that if you have the vaccine then you have the chance of developing myocarditis from that on top of the chance of developing myocarditis from infection with Covid.

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6 hours ago, Eric7 said:

 

The problem with that logic is that if you have the vaccine then you have the chance of developing myocarditis from that on top of the chance of developing myocarditis from infection with Covid.

Can you back that up with a link?

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Just now, jeba said:

Can you back that up with a link?

 

There are plenty of links showing the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine and plenty of links showing the risk of myocarditis from Covid. 

 

As far as I can see, there have been assessments of:

1. The risk of myocarditis from Covid

2. The risk of myocarditis from the vaccine 

 

but not:

3. The risk of myocarditis from Covid after vaccination

 

Do you have a link showing vaccination removes or reduces the risk of myocarditis from Covid?

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9 minutes ago, Eric7 said:

 

There are plenty of links showing the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine and plenty of links showing the risk of myocarditis from Covid. 

 

As far as I can see, there have been assessments of:

1. The risk of myocarditis from Covid

2. The risk of myocarditis from the vaccine 

 

but not:

3. The risk of myocarditis from Covid after vaccination

 

Do you have a link showing vaccination removes or reduces the risk of myocarditis from Covid?

I guess there, are but I'm not willing go waste my time looking for them. It's you, not me who made a (dubious) claim, so it's your job, not mine, to substantiate it.

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6 minutes ago, Krieg said:

So the short answer is no.

 

Bless.

 

Obviously in Bizzaroworld, having 2 things at the same time, each of which on their own can cause myocarditis, will reduce the chance of myocarditis.

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4 minutes ago, jeba said:

I guess there, are but I'm not willing go waste my time looking for them. It's you, not me who made a (dubious) claim, so it's your job, not mine, to substantiate it.

 

Erm, does vaccination increase the risk of myocarditis or reduce it?

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