Only in America

[fraufruit 41,609]

7 minutes ago, Keleth said:

And this one only made the news because a civilian stopped the shooter because it is very rare for this to happen.

 

I wasn't aware that a civilian stopped the shooter. Frankly, I've stopped reading about it.

 

The school shootings always make the international news.

[French bean 3,463]

The irony, if the US had proper gun controls and fewer psychos, she wouldn't have needed to shoot the guy because he wouldn't have been armed. One really fucked up country.

[French bean 3,463]

Just to show how messed up it is:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61614782

[fraufruit 41,609]

36 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

I wasn't aware that a civilian stopped the shooter. Frankly, I've stopped reading about it.

 

I'm sorry. Wrong shooting.

 

Hard to keep up.

[pappnase 2,492]

2 hours ago, Keleth said:

and well trained (apparently)

How long does police training take?

There are around 18,000 police agencies in the US, but with no national standards on training, procedures and timescales vary across the country.

On average, US officers spend around 21 weeks training before they are qualified to go on patrol.

 

That is far less than in most other developed countries, according to a report by the Institute for Criminal Justice Training Reform (ICJTR).

The report looked at police training requirements in more than 100 countries and found that the US had among the lowest, in terms of average hours required.

[Fietsrad 379]

The US has thousands of police organisations. Scotland has one.

..

Besides guns, the police in the US, UK, Germany etc etc do next to nothing to enforce traffic law. They choose that thousands of people die.

[fraufruit 41,609]

8 minutes ago, Fietsrad said:

Besides guns, the police in the US, UK, Germany etc etc do next to nothing to enforce traffic law.

 

Looks like you've never dealt with a Georgia State Trooper, Boy.

[keith2011 2,496]

23 minutes ago, Fietsrad said:

Besides guns, the police in the US, UK, Germany etc etc do next to nothing to enforce traffic law. They choose that thousands of people die.

Obviously you have never ridden a motorcycle in the UK.

[French bean 3,463]

Question of resources,when the police in the Uk and here in RLP have over years had to put up with budget cuts and loss of personnel, they will prioritise. There's always a political element behind policing.

[Keleth 9,255]

@pappnase hence the apparently.

Saw a video the other day about the length of training a US cop goes through and it is actually less than what is required to become a barber.

Here you go, not sure how true this all is...

States require more training time to become a barber than a police officer - CNN

 

[Keleth 9,255]

2 hours ago, French bean said:

The irony, if the US had proper gun controls and fewer psychos, she wouldn't have needed to shoot the guy because he wouldn't have been armed. One really fucked up country.

When a shooter goes on a spree it is not the gun's fault and the "guns don´t kill people etc" line comes out.

When an armed civilian kills a shooter it´s apparently because of the gun.

 

I´m not sure how the NRAs and the like mind really works.

[Keleth 9,255]

1 hour ago, Fietsrad said:

Besides guns, the police in the US, UK, Germany etc etc do next to nothing to enforce traffic law. They choose that thousands of people die.

Perhaps it is best the ones in the US don´t do too many as many of the shootings of unarmed people seem to come about because of traffic stops.

 

 

Sorry to do more criticising but...

Mom Ran Into School, Pulled Two Kids Out During Texas School Shooting (insider.com)

 

This bits good and is not worthy of any criticism at all...

 

Another parent was pepper-sprayed as he attempted to get into the school, and a father was tackled by authorities, Gomez told The Journal. 

 

All those cops there and they had to resort to pepper spraying someone to stop them.

 

 

 

 

[French bean 3,463]

Must be just about the only time they didn't shoot an unarmed person.

[mako1 858]

there were a bunch of heavily armed Texas Rangers and law enforcement types around the Uvalde school shooting who waited for over an hour to confront the shooter.

So we have to assume that they aren't the 'good guys with guns' the NRA is always talking about. And if law enforcement isn't the definition of a good guy with a gun, who is?

Actually, when you read about it, they come off as a bunch of pussies. These guys make way more than they should for their training/education level and avoid doing anything actually dangerous. Much safer and easier to pepper spray parents, pull over cars driven by minorities and attack protestors than save children.

[john_b 3,235]

Half the weapons in America are owned by 3% of the population. They own an average of 17 weapons each.

 

 

[john_b 3,235]

Twitter ad with bible quote from the company that made and sold the assault rifle used by the 18-year-old killer in Uvalde.

 

[Metall 14,483]

21 hours ago, john g. said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236

Bloodbath prevented by an armed woman in Virginia. 

 

18 hours ago, Keleth said:

Ok mind changed let´s arm everyone then there will never be another shooting.

I wonder how much time the gun lobby will spend talking about the mental health of the dead man in this situation rather than crowing about how an armed person stopped a slaughter.

 

17 hours ago, Keleth said:

And this one only made the news because a civilian stopped the shooter because it is very rare for this to happen.

 

 

But... when will the armed civilian trying to stop a shooter... be mistaken for a shooter herself when she pulls her gun? And be killed by police or other civilians in the confusion?

I assure you, this *will happen*.

 

[Keleth 9,255]

5 hours ago, john_b said:

Half the weapons in America are owned by 3% of the population. They own an average of 17 weapons each.

 

 

Irresponsible parents,girl on the bikes not wearing a helmet.

[Keleth 9,255]

1 hour ago, Metall said:

 

 

 

But... when will the armed civilian trying to stop a shooter... be mistaken for a shooter herself when she pulls her gun? And be killed by police or other civilians in the confusion?

I assure you, this *will happen*.

 

It already has.

Cops Kill Man Trying To STOP Mass Shooter - YouTube

That´s just 1 case.

[Keleth 9,255]

5 hours ago, john_b said:

Twitter ad with bible quote from the company that made and sold the assault rifle used by the 18-year-old killer in Uvalde.

 

Lol and in most countries nowadays you´re not allowed to advertise sugary snacks for kids.