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On 8.11.2021, 07:03:20, bramble said:

I've seen this subject discussed on German TV repeatedly the past few days. They're cracking down on it now due to the hospitals reporting increased admissions in intensive care units lately. I have no words for the stupidity and incompetence …

So now they are about to put the breaks on elective surgeries, meaning that vaccinated people in need of hip, knee, shoulder, … operations will have to suffer a loss in their quality of life and possible further health problems.  That feels wrong.

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Good friend of mine in the Cretan village has just been told he has to wait NINE months for a cataract op in the town hospital. He's double vaccinated. His eye sight is deteriorating fast.
But everything takes second place to Covid. 

... which reminds me- I have to use special eye drops twice a day but they are prescription-only in Germany and I can't get an eye check at an Augenarzt for 6 months in our part of Hamburg. I knew that- so have brought enough from Crete ( available at any pharmacy and no questions asked ) to keep me going for a few months.. so when I visit Crete in March, I can just phone up the doc and get a check up anytime I want. 30 euros cash for a thorough check. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jonny said:

If they continue testing kids in school on a Monday, Wednesday and Friday then closing schools is absolutely avoidable. Testing healthy kids regularly is much safer than relying on vaccinations where they can still catch it and still pass it around. 

 

What happens if they catch it on Tuesday or even Monday afternoon and pass it around? If they were vaccinated they would be less likely to catch it and pass it on to other kids at school who would also be vaccinated plus any other contacts!

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37 minutes ago, john g. said:

 I can't get an eye check at an Augenarzt for 6 months in our part of Hamburg.

What's so important about "your part of Hamburg"?

After all, you won't be going there every day.

 

There are appointments available for people who pay from their own pocket (Selbstzahler) or who have private health insurance (which as I recall, you have) in Hamburg the day after tomorrow, 11.11.2021: https://www.jameda.de/hamburg/aerzte/augenaerzte/fachgebiet/?search=hVDLboMwEPyXOVsIh5oEf0HOuVYImbKhjoyN_ECREP8e0yhVc-ptd3Z2ZmdX2DRdKCZvIauSYSQHucL5CPm5IkQ15ApnNfXJj2BI3nQv9PsXNcoObzSjMkFUhRDViX_k3o6QTdE0XBwFe-pG0oa6RQfdG4LkW8vwRTaS30_4R2HQYZ8zWDXRH-ttY7hq8xKhhQzPUcC7-tCVyBazm5NRfgdd7PcwMQW0eS_8xMZNTdoOdM8xFvJBu_wb1EVZlNge&otb=all&insurance=private

 

If I were you, I would get myself checked up as soon as possible.

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I noticed when I took a national flight from Frankfurt that no one was asked about their vaccination status…is this normal? The flight was full so no seat distancing. I asked the chap next to me who had travelled from an other country and he hadn’t been checked either.  

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Thanks for that list, Panda👍

I will need a check up ( to be on the safe side ) around early December. Had one before I left Crete last week. Meanwhile, loads of other things to do- just moved back and the carpenter is sorting out the new office right now. And there's Telekom.. And and and🙁😂.

Bloody hell - dog tax to sort out as well!🙁😄

 

Question/ joke for you! When do I have to tell the Finanzamt my new address? Have got better things to do!!😂

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1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

 

What happens if they catch it on Tuesday or even Monday afternoon and pass it around? If they were vaccinated they would be less likely to catch it and pass it on to other kids at school who would also be vaccinated plus any other contacts!

Oh please . Who are they going to catch it from when everyone in their class has tested negative and they come straight home to us. ? Calm down and stop being terrified.  

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17 minutes ago, john g. said:

Question/ joke for you! When do I have to tell the Finanzamt my new address? 

Within 1 month.

There is a special form "Änderung der Adresse" in the ELSTER portal that is used for informing your old Finanzamt of your new address, so that they know to send your folder to your new Finanzamt, which will also allocate a new tax number (assuming that you moved into another Finanzamt's district).

But even if you remain in your old district, i.e. within the same Finanzamt, you still have to tell them your new address.

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Panda😂

Greeks do it differently! We have no street name in our village! I have a tax number there. You use it on your electricity bill ( which includes the TV licence to make sure people pay!)

 

Our Greek lawyer sent an email the other day, saying we have an unpaid car-related tax bill since 2016. We should contact our tax accountant Konstantinos. Who the hell is he? If we have an unpaid bill of some kind, why is he NOW interested?😂

 

I have never seen a Finanzamt office in our nearest town. Maybe where Maria is celebrating her Saint's Day. 😆

 

Or Michalis?

Not many names to choose from there!😂

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3 hours ago, Jonny said:

Oh please . Who are they going to catch it from when everyone in their class has tested negative and they come straight home to us. ? Calm down and stop being terrified.  

 

The evidence is that regular testing in schools is not working or hadn't you noticed? Why do you think there is so much support for vaccinating children? Furthermore if your children are anything like I was at school then I very much doubt they ever go straight home! Terrified, no, concerned that we will be facing another lockdown this winter, yes and exasperated by stupid people, yes!

 

Quote:-

The seven-day incidence rate of 154.9 cases per 100,000 population has doubled in two and a half weeks, since October 19 (75.1). The seven-day incidence rate is steadily rising, particularly among children and adolescents sitting in crowded schools without vaccine protection. Among 5–9-year-old children, the national average is 194 and among 10–14-year-olds it is 237. In nine districts, incidences in the 10–19-year-old age group have even exceeded 500.

 

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/11/06/germ-n06.html

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3 hours ago, keith2011 said:

 

The evidence is that regular testing in schools is not working or hadn't you noticed? Why do you think there is so much support for vaccinating children? Furthermore if your chil

 

My personal experience with children in school (not mentioning which, but from little I chatted with people with children from other schools seems very much the same) is that tests are done very approximately. Children have to do it themselves and noone (well should be the teacher likely) is checking if it is really done properly or not (would take also quite a bit if done properly with classes of 30 or so children). Also cases when a child is late or skips for some reason the test day seem to be managed rather sloppily (may get tested, may not).

Add on top of this that anyway vaccinated children do not have to do the test and I guess it's quite obvious why things simply don't work.

 

I'd say it's basically very similar to why 3G/2G did not work and likely will not for the -spread- itself: it's hard to implement and ignores the important fact that also the 2G group can still get infected and spread (albeit likely with less intensity and so on, but does that count when in a packed group like ie. a classroom?)

 

 

 

About coming straight home: sure, at least in cities this means for many children some ten or more minutes in an overcrowded bus or ubahn/sbahn wagon... likely more infectious than the classroom.

 

And connecting to this: my view is that 2G or 3G at workplaces and such is rather relative if then you still can (or better: have to in many cases) go in an overcrowded UBahn wagon that doesn't provide any possible distancing or airing system, not to mention any real check if people are wearing masks or not (have seen, sure not too many, people in Munich UBahn without mask at all and basically see all the time people wearing the mask with the nose out or so... not to mention Saturday seen a wagon packed of football fans singing and shouting...)

 

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7 hours ago, Jonny said:

Oh please . Who are they going to catch it from when everyone in their class has tested negative and they come straight home to us. ? Calm down and stop being terrified.  

So you´re all for your kids following strict guidelines but think it´s wrong for you yourself to have to follow any.

Fine upstanding example you are.

"daddy can I go play with my friends?".

"No,corona etc"

10 mins later...

"daddy where are you going?"

"Down the pub with my mates"

"don´t forget your mask"

"pfft".

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9 hours ago, john g. said:

I have to use special eye drops twice a day but they are prescription-only in Germany and I can't get an eye check at an Augenarzt for 6 months in our part of Hamburg. I knew that- so have brought enough from Crete ( available at any pharmacy and no questions asked ) to keep me going for a few months.. so when I visit Crete in March, I can just phone up the doc and get a check up anytime I want. 30 euros cash for a thorough check. 

Have you tried the "Terminservicestelle" (nationwide phone number 116117)? They have to get you a specialist appointment within 1 month (you need a confirmation by your GP that it´s urgent though). Not sure though whether they´ll help you if you´re not publicly insured. Also, a prescription of an EU doctor can be filled in other EU-countries as well, so you could use a prescription issued by your Greek ophthalmologist (I´d ask him to write it in English or German though as it may be difficult to find a pharmacist who can read Greek:lol:).

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The definition of 'urgent' depends on whether it's your subjective problem or the physician's objective viewpoint. A number of years ago I was in so much pain I'd cry whenever I had to change position. The doctor I saw gave me a priority appointment for six weeks in the future.

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I got a letter yesterday from the Minister für Arbeit, Gesundheit und Soziales des Landes NRW reminding me that due to my age (74) I'm eligable for a booster jab in December. My second one was on the 1st of June. So I called my Hausarzt just now, who gave me an appointment for the 22nd of November. Glad about that. 

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4 hours ago, bramble said:

I got a letter yesterday from the Minister für Arbeit, Gesundheit und Soziales des Landes NRW reminding me that due to my age (74) I'm eligable for a booster jab in December. My second one was on the 1st of June. So I called my Hausarzt just now, who gave me an appointment for the 22nd of November. Glad about that. 

That's quite generous of him as it comes with an increased risk of liability for him since it deviates from the STIKO recommendation (which recommends a 6 months interval). In case you should sue him for damages because of side effects the burden of proof would be on him. As of 1 DEC this wouldn't be his problem but the state would be liable as then he'd have followed the official recommendation, having waited the full 6 months.

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21 minutes ago, jeba said:

That's quite generous of him as it comes with an increased risk of liability for him since it deviates from the STIKO recommendation (which recommends a 6 months interval). In case you should sue him for damages because of side effects the burden of proof would be on him. As of 1 DEC this wouldn't be his problem but the state would be liable as then he'd have followed the official recommendation, having waited the full 6 months.

 

I'm sure he's informed and knows what he's doing. There are only ca. 9 days between the 22nd of November and the 1st of December. Do you really think those few days difference is going to make that much difference? For Christ's sake! Whatever, maybe he has surplus capacities for that week, but not for the week after. 

 

Edit: Besides, it's repeatedly stated that the vaccine protection wears off quicker in older people, and I've also read that in Israel 5 months between the 2nd dose and the booster dose is recommended. 

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18 hours ago, Jonny said:

Oh please . Who are they going to catch it from when everyone in their class has tested negative and they come straight home to us. ? Calm down and stop being terrified.  

My daughter was infected by someone showing no symptoms and who had a negative test the a day or two before we met them.

The infected my daughter within a 2 hour time frame out in our garden.

 

Wife also got infected but as she was vaccinated, just seemed to have a light cold, I, the slightly over weight risk group person, didn't get infected as I was vaccinated.

 

I thought I'd add that to just sink all the BS you are still spouting. Vaccine worked, kid and wife got infected by someone with a negative test and showing no symptoms.

Go away, read (sorry, I know you don't) up on all this and come back when you can take part on the same level instead of having your ass handed to you each time. 

 

Now, you could call people sheep again, but that didn't go too well last time did it and you are the one doing all the bleating.

11 hours ago, Keleth said:

So you´re all for your kids following strict guidelines but think it´s wrong for you yourself to have to follow any.

Fine upstanding example you are.

"daddy can I go play with my friends?".

"No,corona etc"

10 mins later...

"daddy where are you going?"

"Down the pub with my mates"

"don´t forget your mask"

"pfft".

I think you hit the nail there, Jonny isn't against rules as long as they are for other people. A person has been saying he hates restrcition, now saying "but the kids sould have to live by them".

 

It's quite a change of tone to "as long as it isn't me"..It's funny when you look at the right wing 1930s era  posts he was greening in the other thread and trying to play the victim card, now he's crossed over in to the "it's ok as it isn't me being...2.

 

 

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48 minutes ago, bramble said:

Do you really think those few days difference is going to make that much difference?

Of course not. I had my booster after 4 months (due to circumstances). I´m not saying that he´s wrong doing it a week earlier. Just that he´s being generous and he´s allowed to do it, but it means taking on the risk of liability.

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16 hours ago, makkapakka said:

About coming straight home: sure, at least in cities this means for many children some ten or more minutes in an overcrowded bus or ubahn/sbahn wagon... likely more infectious than the classroom.

 

This.

 

Round our way, we had all these cohorts and groups in schools, and then the schools emptied out into buses where kids of different schools, let alone classes, were squished like sardines in tins depending obviously on where they live, since that's how public transport works.

 

Here, in a largely rural area, some kids are travelling on the bus for an hour, some take the bus to the station for a train and further travel depending on precisely where the potato farm is located. 

 Like a Covid super highway. 

 

Vaccination plus tests seemed like a cunning plan - tesing being not completely brilliant, and vaccinated people still able to spread the nasty. Testing however stops for each kid when they are second vaccine plus 2 weeks. 

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