3G in Restaurants?

[Jonny 1,324]

1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

 

Sorry you are not getting it but anti-vax goes way beyond covid the vaccines against it. Consider Polio, Smallpox and Measles etc. there are loads of people out there who think they have the" my body my right" to refuse any vaccination!

And there's the problem Keith.  The media has influenced the idiots out there, that if you question the covid treatments you are anti vaxx when the majority are not.  It's just the covid treatments they worried about but the media like labels,  like to cause division etc etc.

 

I've mentioned this before,  but how can somebody who has had every vaccine known to man and has vaccinated their kids,  suddenly be anti vaxx because they correctly questioned a rushed out,  poorly tested and ineffective treatment ? 

[Mr.Bear 1,037]

8 hours ago, keith2011 said:

 

NO it is NOT fair enough!

By making that anti-social choice you endanger the rest of us so it is not at all unreasonable that you should be isolated in an attempt to persuade you to take on your social responsibilities. That principal is regardless of the disease or vaccine and your attempts to malign a specific covid vaccine  has no impact on that basic principal!

 

So let me get this straight.

I'm 50 years old, vaxxed and paravaxxed, from childhood to military service, I didn't skipped any vaxx, did all what was needed, no questions asked,

also my last set of vaxxes was done 4 years ago, when I did traveled in Asia and Africa for my work.

 

Two vaxx I have refused to do it in my life - Influenza and Covid-19.

Influenza - because the soyence is trying to guess next strain, maybe they get it right, maybe not.

Covid-19 - RED flag signals all over the place, trust the soyence again. No, thank you, I'm good.

 

Now I'm asking you, from a man to a man:
What or who gives you the right to force me to vaccinate against C-19, even after the latest news,

where you hear directly from the makers of the vaccine that vaccination does not prevent the spread.

I've known this since 2021, since the reports from Israel, but of course nothing official has been said.

 

If my vaccination will make you feel better, then I'm sorry, I'm not here to make you feel safe,

because you are not part of my family, if you were part of my family you would still be unvaccinated.

 

If you can answer me honestly:
In case I get vaccinated so that you feel better and more protected and I get sick, who will take care of my family?

Will you pay the monthly bills, the recovery or the funeral?

 

I am waiting for an honest and human to human answer.

 

 

 

 

[snowingagain 5,201]

Re babies.  Would you be happy to have a neonatal nurse not vaxxed for measles look after your newborn, in the middle of a measles outbreak?  I mean, most neonatals will be okay.  Only a small percentage will die, or have long lasting problems from the disease. Or will be suboptimal like old people, just cull them.   And measles vaccines are said to be dangerous, causing many problems, including autism.   I had measles, so did all my friends and family, I was fine.  I do not know ANY families who had a child who died from measles.  I know half a dozen whose children have autism who were vaxxed.  So, that means measles vaccination is a. unnecessary and b. causes autism.  I say that as a scientist.  Ha.

[Mr.Bear 1,037]

17 minutes ago, snowingagain said:

Re babies.  

 

Can you, please, stop comparing measles with covid-19
How many times did you heard of a pandemy of measles and got everything locked down for it?

 

If you cannot do a logical diffence between those two different things

then please try to speak with a doctor, you need it, and he will clarify that for you.

 

[keith2011 2,579]

So which Mr .Bear are you?

What has happened to the semi illiterate one who posts all the crap videos and welshes on bets?

Man to which man?

[Mr.Bear 1,037]

Unvaccinated man with vaccinated man.
Or can't you have an adult conversation?

 

You still haven't answered that simple question.
Maybe you need more time to think?

 

I'll try to answer for you, mentally challenged people should be helped:

1A - if you say it's none of your business for me to be financially supported,

in case something happens then I will tell you it's all about individual choice, you do what you want, I do what I want.

But you know what?

If YOU get hurt you will go to the medical system, just like I will go to the medical system if I get hurt.

The medical system is paid for by the rest of us.

If you are going to have problems from vaccination why should the rest of us pay for your stupidity?

Luckily Germany can financially support these cases, but until when.

Why should I become part of the problem?

And for my suffering, hypothetically, who answers?
Certainly not the vaccine manufacturers, they are protected by contract.

 

1B - if you say that it doesn't matter what happens to me, what matters is that you feel protected then I will answer you like this:
Don't fly, you can die in a plane crash, don't use a car or public transport, you have no way of knowing when you will have an accident in traffic.
Beware that electrocution is sometimes fatal, unplug everything.
Don't climb the ladder, you could fall and die.

So, as you can see, it's all down to the individual.

What you do with your life is your choice.

If you want to take an extra risk just so you feel safe, fine, do it, but under no circumstances will I do it just to make you feel good.
At the end we will still bear the consequences of our choice.

 

I once had covid, I got over it with no problems, same as you, but you're vaxxed 4 times.

You are alive, and I am alive.

Those 4 vaccines are paid for by the government, that employee who made them for you, also by the government.
Where does the government get the money? Taxes.

Who pays them? We do.

 

Will I get this money back? No, maybe we'll raise taxes, because expenses need to be covered.

You don't solve the problem, you are part of the problem with your choice.

[keith2011 2,579]

20 hours ago, Jonny said:

And there's the problem Keith.  The media has influenced the idiots out there, that if you question the covid treatments you are anti vaxx when the majority are not.  It's just the covid treatments they worried about but the media like labels,  like to cause division etc 

That is simply not true. Even well before covid the vaccination take up in Europe and particularly in  Germany and France has been low typically around 80% and much lower for MMR fueled by antivax fake news and propaganda. I even recall threads here pre covid where some parents were complaining how unfair it was that there kids might be denied a preschool place because they were not vaccinated.

[keith2011 2,579]

1 hour ago, Mr.Bear said:

Unvaccinated man with vaccinated man.
Or can't you have an adult conversation?

 

You still haven't answered that simple question.
Maybe you need more time to think?

 

I'll try to answer for you, mentally challenged people should be helped:

 

Ha the idiot is back, it will be sheeple and a telegram video next and you want an adult conversation?

 

[fraufruit 41,947]

15 hours ago, Mr.Bear said:

What or who gives you the right to force me to vaccinate against C-19

 

[Mr.Bear 1,037]

Ok, Ms. @keith2011 I get it, you don't have the balls to answer, but you demand someone to get the jibby jabby, just to make you feel safer.

Do you need anything else?

 

Ok @fraufruit  - I hope you have the courage to say that in front of thousands of people forced to get vaccinated or lose their jobs.

 

Does anyone have balls in their pants, or blood in their veins,  who has the patience and courage to offer a logical answer

and carry on a conversation like two adults or are all just pussies around here?

[BethAnnBitt 2,906]

So now that many folks here either don’t agree with your perspective or tactics, and/or feel too busy, or exhausted, to engage in this raging slugfest, you have decided to spice things up by throwing in misogynistic vulgarity?  Why don’t you just give it a rest?

[Mr.Bear 1,037]

I can't, I'm waiting for an answer.

It's a free country, still, I hope...

 

I only asked for a simple answer to my question from keith2011.

Since I don't see anyone objecting to the way he thinks that means they agrees with his way of thinking and what he is asking of me.

[keith2011 2,579]

1 hour ago, Mr.Bear said:

 

 

I only asked for a simple answer to my question from keith2011.

Since I don't see anyone objecting to the way he thinks that means they agrees with his way of thinking and what he is asking of me.

Then let me ask you a question back, perhaps if you think about you can answer your question yourself, though I doubt you have the wit.

Do you stop driving at a red traffic light, no one will force you to, even though by not doing so you may endanger others and yourself. Does it make any difference if it is late at night and there is nobody else around so there should be no risk of an accident?

Hint it is all about social responsibility!

 

[Mr.Bear 1,037]

Hint - I don't drive, I never own a car, I am already "greener" than you.

 

Social responsibility... you make me laugh.

 

Well I'm responsible, I didn't infect anyone, I followed the rules, masks and tests,

I still use the mask at work and in public transport because the law want it so,

at my workplace we have direct contact with customers, 20-30 cm away, the bosses need healthy workers to come to work..

I didn't travel internationally at all until the travel without vaxx was allowed again, you name it, but I refused the vaccination, the only thing.

 

if you're going to keep the social responsibility card, maybe you can answer me:

who will take care of my family if I won't be able to take care of them after vaccination?

I still haven't received an answer... or is that no longer your responsibility?
 

 

 

 

 

[hooperski 29,416]

Even people that have had the vaccines can still carry and pass on the virus to other (vaccinated) people.

Surely the decision to be vaccinated is one's own choice. (Disclaimer, I am NOT a medical professional)

[Mr.Bear 1,037]

23 minutes ago, hooperski said:

Even people that have had the vaccines can still carry and pass on the virus to other (vaccinated) people.

Surely the decision to be vaccinated is one's own choice. (Disclaimer, I am NOT a medical professional)

 

Thank you and kudos.

 

Anyone else?

 

Speak your mind, here don't bite anyone, if you are pro vaccination maybe bring an argument why.

 

[fraufruit 41,947]

2 hours ago, Mr.Bear said:

Since I don't see anyone objecting to the way he thinks

 

Doesn't mean that they agree with it. Just can't be arsed-

[Mr.Bear 1,037]

7 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

 

Doesn't mean that they agree with it. Just can't be arsed-

 

Blame me instead and you can honestly say what you think.

That's how two adults talk.

[Jonny 1,324]

1 hour ago, hooperski said:

Even people that have had the vaccines can still carry and pass on the virus to other (vaccinated) people.

Surely the decision to be vaccinated is one's own choice. (Disclaimer, I am NOT a medical professional)

 You would've thought that it would be as simple as that but according to some on here it's not. Please see the extremist Irish man (among others) for an explanation. 

 

 

[murphaph 9,652]

I wonder are the Russian hordes in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson vaccinated...Asking for a Ukrainian friend.