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19 minutes ago, yourkeau said:

It really depends on the country. In the USA anti-vaxxers are also pro gun, anti abortion, anti healthcare, anti immigration = right wing

 

In Germany it seems to be Querfront, but mostly right wing, too. AfD usw.

 

In Israel right wing government imposed lockdowns and vaccine passports, so antivaxxers are mostly left wing and minorities (Arabs, Russian speakers, Ultra-religious people

Why would Arabs and Russian speakers be antivaxxers? And Israeli left wingers?

( By the way, I have long given up on the simplistic left v right as descriptions of the majority of people- my student days are in the past👍)

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19 minutes ago, john g. said:

Why would Arabs and Russian speakers be antivaxxers? And Israeli left wingers?

Distrust to the government, but for different reasons.

 

Left wingers distrust the government because it is right wing, even though this is not the case now, we have Groko, but the Prime Minister is from the right party.

Arabs distrust the government because it is Jewish (but again, we have Groko with some Arab ministers). The irony that due to the fact that Arabs do not serve in the army (they can but are not obliged to, while Jews are drafted both male and female), this is the primary reason why they become doctors: can study for 7 years without losing 3 years in the army. So, the community that has higher than average doctors per capita rate also has a lot of antivaxxers (not doctors).

 

And now, people from the community that I kind of belong to, were born in authoritarian state and do not trust the government regardless. This correlates with high antivaxx rate in all post-Communist Eastern Europe.

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, john g. said:

I think anti-vazzers are often currently associated with right-wingers but that is not always the case.

You´re right.

But the reason most are classed as right-wing is because of the other views many of them have. Go to an anti-vaxx site and you´ll see the conspiracy theories about Jews, foreigners and so on.

Don´t often find other stories about anti-vaxx and how we should fight for socialism and fair pay etc.

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5 hours ago, Keleth said:

You´re right.

But the reason most are classed as right-wing is because of the other views many of them have. Go to an anti-vaxx site and you´ll see the conspiracy theories about Jews, foreigners and so on.

Don´t often find other stories about anti-vaxx and how we should fight for socialism and fair pay etc.

No, well what would you expect of people who are only interested in themselves as a starting point?

 

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18 hours ago, bennetn said:

No, well what would you expect of people who are only interested in themselves as a starting point?

 

That's dangerous. Everyone is interested in themselves as a starting point. 

 

The wonder of vaccination is that you protect yourself in the first place, but also protect the others around you. 

 

These people hate other people as a starting point. They hate everyone so much that they are willing to harm themselves only to see the others suffering, too. Terrorists. 

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55 minutes ago, Mr.Bear said:

 

Name one conspiracy theory that has come true in the last 2 years.

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Maybe the coming boom or bang or whatever j2 called it was the corona virus, the corona virus vaccine - or the attack on the capitol?:blink:

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9 hours ago, keith2011 said:

Name one conspiracy theory that has come true in the last 2 years.

 

@Mr.Bear hold my beer...

 

Lab leak thoery - not conclusively proven, but seems likely, certainly cannot be dismissed as a crazy conspiracy theory. See also Peter Daszak Lancet letter.

 

Vaccine passports - does this count? I think so. I do remember seeing a video of a woman from circa year 2000 saying vaccines passports will be introduced and used to control people. She did seem a little crazy in fairness.

Of course, with this one it seems we are still in the relatively early phase. Watch out for the next steps, including Chinese style social credit system (https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/new-social-credit-system-in-italy-could-lead-to-serious-violations-of-rights/) and "climate lockdowns" (https://summit.news/2021/11/17/media-declares-climate-lockdowns-a-conspiracy-theory-as-india-prepares-to-impose-climate-lockdown/).

 

MRNA vaccines are "gene therapy" and can alter DNA - I'm not qualified to speak on this, but see https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm or, for balance, here is what the fact checkers say https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-04/coronacheck-mrna-vaccines-not-genotoxic-pete-evans/100879220

Also, there is the video of the Bayer guy publicly stating the vaccines are gene therapy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qowDwaYx7vI

Please feel free to debunk.

 

Australia quarantine camps.

 

Bonus unrelated conspiracy theory: Hunter Biden hard-drive from hell, story suppressed by big tech before the 2020 US presidential election, later accepted as fact https://nypost.com/2022/03/17/hunter-bidens-infamous-laptop-confirmed-in-new-york-times-report/

 

Sorry, one more unrelated, Alex Jones was right, the frogs are being turned gay:

https://www.newsweek.com/female-frogs-estrogen-hermaphrodites-suburban-waste-369553

 

Then apart from the conspiracy theories, there are all the cases of governments lying and manipulating the public:

- initial attempted cover up in December 2019 and January 2020 by China / WHO

- masks: start of 2020 "general public should not wear them" (not said out loud: because we don't want a shortage for health care staff), later "yes do wear them", then "only unvaccinated need to wear masks", then "sorry, vaccinated do in fact need to wear masks"
- major issues with modelling (could be incompetence, could be for political reasons, i.e. to scare people)

- UK government confirmed to have attempted to scare the public to ensure compliance

- "vaccinated cannot spread virus"

- "pandemic of the vaccinated"

- "Wahrscheinlich wird am Ende dieses Winters so ziemlich jeder in Deutschland geimpft, genesen oder gestorben sein" ok, ok, when I look at it now he did cover himself there with the "wahrscheinlich".

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42 minutes ago, vulturesquadron said:

@Mr.Bear hold my beer...

 

Oh dear, pathetic, not even a partial one. Germany and other countries have had vaccine passes for years. I thought you or, the always silent when challenged, Mr.Bear were going to tell us something along the lines of a the successful Trump led military coup in the USA in 2021 or that the covid vaccinated have all died in spring this year (or maybe I got the date wrong and its Christmas this year or maybe next).:lol::lol::lol:

BTW how is Nostradamus doing these days???:D

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5 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

 

Oh dear, pathetic, not even a partial one. Germany and other countries have had vaccine passes for years.

 

Go on. I'm aware there are for example requirements on vaccinating children in order for them to go to Kita, but you would surely agree what has happened over the past two and a bit years for Covid is not normal?

 

"Wuhan lab leak 'is now the most likely origin of Covid because Beijing tried to cover it up' and it is 'reasonable to believe virus was engineered in China', Harvard scientist tells MPs"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-leak-likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html

 

Where do you think Covid originated?

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1 hour ago, vulturesquadron said:

Go on. I'm aware there are for example requirements on vaccinating children in order for them to go to Kita, but you would surely agree what has happened over the past two and a bit years for Covid is not normal?

 

I am aware that even 50 years ago you would not be allowed to travel to many countries in Africa and other parts of the world without having had the prerequisite vaccinations and be able to prove you had them. Also in many countries smallpox and other vaccinations were mandatory for children. Given the scale of the pandemic are you surprised at the restrictions, particularly for the unvaccinated were so strict and don't forget they have now been almost entirely relaxed. Hardly a conspiracy theory that has come true.

 

1 hour ago, vulturesquadron said:

"Wuhan lab leak 'is now the most likely origin of Covid because Beijing tried to cover it up' and it is 'reasonable to believe virus was engineered in China', Harvard scientist tells MPs"

It may well be there is certainly evidence to suggest that but it is unlikely that the Chinese will ever admit it and will continue to obstruct all investigation trying to prove it. Again though hardly a conspiracy theory (and certainly not one that has come true) when something is suspected by the most governments, the WHO and most people outside China, simply because it can't be proved. You would hardly say that Trump  was responsible for the attack on Congress is a conspiracy theory it  is just in the process of being proved.  A real conspiracy theory such as Bush organised the destruction of the World Trade Center can also not be proved but is also not believed by very many people or governments.

 

Maybe  we differ on what constitutes a conspiracy theory but I doubt Mr.Bear will add anything to the discussion, silent as ever when challenged.

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15 hours ago, keith2011 said:

Name one conspiracy theory that has come true in the last 2 years.

 

 

See the video from that link and we talk again.

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1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

I am aware that even 50 years ago you would not be allowed to travel to many countries in Africa and other parts of the world without having had the prerequisite vaccinations and be able to prove you had them. Also in many countries smallpox and other vaccinations were mandatory for children. Given the scale of the pandemic are you surprised at the restrictions, particularly for the unvaccinated were so strict ...

 

I think for example Austria's lockdown of the unvaccinated goes beyond those cases though. If you told someone a few years ago that this would happen, I think they would say something about a tinfoil hat, but here we are.

 

1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

... and don't forget they have now been almost entirely relaxed. Hardly a conspiracy theory that has come true.

 

For now. On the other hand soon (next decade) we will likely all be induced or forced to have a digital ID, connected to vaccine passports, bank details, and whatever else. A social credit system. Again, they already have this in China, and apparently lots of people there actually think it's a good thing.

 

1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

It may well be there is certainly evidence to suggest that but it is unlikely that the Chinese will ever admit it and will continue to obstruct all investigation trying to prove it. Again though hardly a conspiracy theory (and certainly not one that has come true) when something is suspected by the most governments, the WHO and most people outside China, simply because it can't be proved.

 

The lab leak hypothesis was indeed branded a conspiracy theory.

 

"Politifact has been forced to pull a ‘fact check’ that claimed it had “debunked” the lab leak origin theory of COVID-19 after more prominent voices suggested the explanation was a reasonable possibility.

The original ‘fact check’ was entitled ‘Tucker Carlson guest airs debunked conspiracy theory that COVID-19 was created in a lab’ and was rated “pants on fire,” meaning that the lab leak theory was completely untrue."

https://summit.news/2021/05/21/politifact-forced-to-pull-fact-check-that-debunked-lab-leak-origin-of-covid/

 

1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

Maybe  we differ on what constitutes a conspiracy theory

 

Fair enough, some of my points have to be embellished a bit to really get the conspiracy theory juices fully flowing, a bit of Bill Gates here, a dash of World Economic Forum there. Nonetheless these are all cases prevailing wisdom or the official narrative has been thrown upside down.

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2 hours ago, Mr.Bear said:

 

 

See the video from that link and we talk again.

 

Yeah right and when I post the long list of the lies and BS in it you will just turnaround, like before, and say "I didn't make the video  it's not mine I just pasted a link in a post"!

This says it all.

On 13/06/2022, 22:22:35, Janx Spirit said:

...one thing unites anti-vaxxers, they are all fucking wankers...

 

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