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2 hours ago, yourkeau said:

Sure, no problem. You donate this money to Come Back Alive fund which helps Ukrainian soldiers.

 

Since you are unemployed I do not think you have 100 euro. You can donate 10 euro. Or even 1.

 

 

I am working and my job is secured.

Maybe you still need to ckeck your eyesight.

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45 minutes ago, sumguy said:

In the US, healthcare workers are required to report all deaths that follow a vaccination, regardless of whether they suspect any connection.

 

 

If I follow your logic then this Pandemic doesn't exists.

 

How do you feel beying bamboozled by your own government?

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On 2022-04-08, 12:11:45, keith2011 said:

 

You're on, in fact I will even give you the option of double or quits on a further 6 months when I win your €100 on the 8-Oct-22.

 

 

It's a sucker's bet. Chances are you'll have some sort of medical issue in the next six months, whether that's a stubbed toe or pancreatic cancer. In Mr.Bore's paranoid comic-book world of sinister dark agents, where everyone dies from the vaccine, but with COVID, whatever it is will be a side-effect of the vaccine. You can't win.

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2 hours ago, sumguy said:

 

It's a sucker's bet. Chances are you'll have some sort of medical issue in the next six months, whether that's a stubbed toe or pancreatic cancer. In Mr.Bore's paranoid comic-book world of sinister dark agents, where everyone dies from the vaccine, but with COVID, whatever it is will be a side-effect of the vaccine. You can't win.

 

Want to bet on it? :D I have had 4 covid jabs over the last 12 months or so and have not needed to go to the doctor for anything yet. I will need to go to the dentist and my yearly check up at the urologists in the next 6 months  but I trust even Mr.Bear will not believe that is because of a side effect of the vaccinations.;)

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On 08/04/2022, 18:17:45, keith2011 said:

 

Mandatory vaccination with the current vaccines is pointless at this time given that they offer little or no protection against the covid variants which are now infecting so many people, however if better vaccines become available and infections continue then I would not be surprised if it was proposed again and there is a different result next time.

 

4 hours ago, sumguy said:

 

Please stop saying that. It's simply not true.

 

 

Then let me rephrase it as:-

The current figures for new covid infections, hospital admissions and deaths (from or with covid)  imo suggest that mandatory vaccination with the current vaccines cannot be justified at this time given that they offer little or no protection against the covid variants which are now infecting so many people.

We have consistently used the WHO figures (RKI locally) to justify lockdowns mask wearing and many other restrictions along with the promotion of vaccination for nearly all age groups and seen positive trends as a result. In what at the present time looks like the worst wave yet, restrictions on socialising and mask wearing have been relaxed and sorry but the figures show the vaccines are not protecting people even those who have been recently boosted. Just look in this forum for the number of reports of people getting covid since the start of 2022 despite being vaccinated and compare that to the previous 2 years. I do believe in vaccination but we need something that is much much more effective and lasts a lifetime, 47% after 3 months just doesn't cut it!

 

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13 hours ago, sumguy said:

but there's no way that the vaccines "offer little or no protection" against Omicron - especially from serious disease, hospitalization, and death.

 

 

The CEO of Pfizer actually said that the current vaccines offer little or no protection against Omicron. 

 

Could it be,  and just think about this,  that Omicron itself protects from serious disease,  hospitalization and death ? It's almost like it's nature's vaccine. 

 

And if you don't believe me,  what about that highly qualified medical doctor Mr. Bill Gates who admitted as much this year in Munich...

 

Don't know why he's sad though 😕 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Jonny said:

The CEO of Pfizer actually said that the current vaccines offer little or no protection against Omicron. 

Do you get that there is a difference between the risk of infection and the risk of becoming severely ill?

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On 4/7/2022, 11:29:41, yourkeau said:

AFAIK Germany has plenty of vaccines: AstraZeneca, Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna. Your hate is directed specifically against Pfizer, why? Bad experience with viagra?

46 minutes ago, Jonny said:

The CEO of Pfizer actually said that the current vaccines offer little or no protection against Omicron. 

 

 

I am still waiting for the answer to my question. You can vaccinate with Moderna or AstraZeneca. These are effective vaccines. 

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1 hour ago, jeba said:

Do you get that there is a difference between the risk of infection and the risk of becoming severely ill?

Whether the reduced risk of serious illness is down to vaccination or Omicron and its sub variant I believe is an open question, regardless even a mild infection with covid is not without major cost, it requires a minimum of 7 days off work in quarantine and for many, maybe most who have been ill with it, a further 7 days off work is typical (according to my wife's GP), on top of that there are a percentage who suffer long covid problems. The percentage of those infected who need hospitalisation maybe lower as a result of vaccination but the numbers are still very high with health services struggling to cope with the demand with many of their staff also infected and unable to work. We have also seen other industries notably travel in the UK who are struggling with staff absences.

How much worse it would have been without the vaccines we can, I believe, only speculate but I suggest that the vaccination programs have been a failure, we have not achieved herd immunity and the pandemic continues but not because a small percentage of people remain unvaccinated! We need a better vaccine.

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30 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

How much worse it would have been without the vaccines we can, I believe, only speculate but I suggest that the vaccination programs have been a failure, we have not achieved herd immunity and the pandemic continues! We need a better vaccine.

Once again,  I agree with you.  Thanks for your honesty.  What most people don't seem to understand is that you can be pro vaccination but still say that the current covid 'vaccines' are poor and seem to be getting pushed on us to profit the manufacturers rather than to actually protect us. 

 

I'd be far more enthusiastic about these so called vaccines if they actually stopped the majority from getting symptoms and spreading it.  But they obviously don't. 

 

Even Bill Gates says Omicron is more effective than the current batch of vaccines. 

 

 

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https://www.stern.de/gesundheit/corona--77-millionen-impfdosen-liegen-in-deutschland-auf-halde-31770184.html

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The vaccination campaign against the corona virus in Germany is making little progress. This can also be seen in the vaccine stocks in the country: 77 million doses of Corona vaccine are in stock. 10 million doses will reach their expiry date by the end of June.

 

... and 50 million in the third quarter. 

 

These are 27.4 million doses from the manufacturer Biontech, 40.2 million from Moderna, 1.3 million from Johnson & Johnson and 700,000 from Novavax.

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The ministry said that the shelf life for Biontech's vaccine had already been extended from six to nine months. Moderna has also extended the shelf life of its vaccine from seven to nine months and has been asked to submit data for a further extension.

 

Translation Deepl.com

 

They probably thought they would be able to use them up if the Impfpflicht law had passed succesfully. 

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2 hours ago, bramble said:

They probably thought they would be able to use them up if the Impfpflicht law had passed succesfully. 

Germany loves throwing vaccines away. It did so last year instead of vaccinating those who were willing to but were too young. 

 

This is the part of Ordnung muss sein.

 

The same applies to expired food in supermarkets: not only do they throw it away, they also press criminal charges against anyone trying to retrieve this food from trash bins. 

 

Capitalism at its worst. 

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On 07/04/2022, 17:35:30, yesterday said:

Was in Lidl, last Monday, I would say 80 % of customers wear wearing a mask, but most staff were not

 

I’ll continue this discussion. I went to Lidl yesterday and it was about 80% masked. I didn’t notice the cashiers because they haven’t used them in a while, I think. 

 

I teach in-person at a language school and only 25% of the students were masked. Monday was cold, so I just left all the windows open instead. They didn’t complain because they know they didn’t have masks on. They are adults, not children. 

 

I went to the ENT and he didn’t have a mask on, but rather a Hazmat hat (? I have no idea what to call it) with a filtration system. Being a doctor working with noses and throats, I don’t blame him. On a side note, my hearing is going. It’s nothing too bad, but the doctor said my hearing shouldn’t be like this at 45. I went in wondering if I should finally get my ears cleaned since my iphone is always warning me about the volume, but the wax was fine. In general, I don’t notice a lack of hearing. 

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5 hours ago, keith2011 said:

 

 

77 million? I think that would amount to about 10 doses per unvaccinated person, that should give them immunity. :lol:

10? That´s nothing. The guy I mentioned in this thread had 87. If @Mr.Bear was right, he should probably be dead by now.

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On 2022-04-07, 1:36:00, sumguy said:

How is it that you believe the vaccine prevents infection?

On 2022-04-07, 6:55:39, Jonny said:

I don't. Certainly the corona ones don't prevent infections,  spread,  symptoms etc. Seems a lot of other ones do though.  If I had 3 measles injections in a year and still got measles,  I'd think there was something wrong .

 

So... you'll be wearing a mask in the supermarket then? Thanks, appreciate it.

 

"If I had 3 measles injections in a year and still got measles, I'd think there was something wrong."

 

Another tired anti-vax trope that's been posted here numerous times. Typically as one of those oh-so-edgy image macro memes copied from Facebook...

 

The simple fact is that the human body produces life-long immunity to measles infection, after recovery. It does not produce life-long immunity to other pathogens, like the flu, tetanus, and the corona viruses (including the ones that cause a common cold). The reasons have to do with the mutational stability of the organism, and the level and persistence in the body of the different specific antibodies required to fight them off. Some antibodies decay faster than others. I can explain in more detail if you're interested.

 

The vaccine only simulates an attack, tricking the immune system into mounting the same defence as it would to the real thing. If that wanes after a few months, blame your immune system, not the vaccine.

 

Is it possible that improved vaccines could be developed? Absolutely. But don't expect life-long immunity, because that's not how humans work. Does that mean there's something wrong, that the vaccines we have are laughably ineffective? No. Not even remotely.

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7 minutes ago, sumguy said:

So... you'll be wearing a mask in the supermarket then? Thanks, appreciate it.

 

No. Because you'll be wearing one so I don't need to. Thanks. 

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How can we ever trust them again? We should have never trusted them in the first place.

 

 

 

 

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