Posted 26 Jan 2022 14 hours ago, MikeMelga said: I've made some research ... This is painful. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 13 minutes ago, Krieg said: This is painful. Am I making some outrageous or wrong claim? As of last October: there are dozens of different tests each lab has its own metrics. Some have a Yes/no criteria, others measure differently (T-cell vs antibody) and even when measuring the same, the process yelds different count it's currently impossible to ensure compatibility of results between labs There are no standards and noone says what is good or bad I actually spent several hours because a forum member asked me for information in private. And I get shit posts as an answer. I thought the idea of this forum was trying to help each other, not venting personal grudges. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 2 minutes ago, MikeMelga said: ... not venting personal grudges. This paranoia is no good for you. Talk to someone about it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 12 minutes ago, MikeMelga said: Am I making some outrageous or wrong claim? As of last October: there are dozens of different tests each lab has its own metrics. Some have a Yes/no criteria, others measure differently (T-cell vs antibody) and even when measuring the same, the process yelds different count it's currently impossible to ensure compatibility of results between labs There are no standards and noone says what is good or bad I actually spent several hours because a forum member asked me for information in private. And I get shit posts as an answer. I thought the idea of this forum was trying to help each other, not venting personal grudges. Meanwhile there is a WHO standard at least for neutralizing antibody tests and each lab should be able to convert their results into the WHO units (BAU/volume where BAU stands for binding antibody units). "Should be able" doesn't mean "is able" though, at least in Cyprus, as I found out the hard way. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 32 minutes ago, jeba said: Meanwhile there is a WHO standard at least for neutralizing antibody tests and each lab should be able to convert their results into the WHO units (BAU/volume where BAU stands for binding antibody units). This. The Swiss lab report I read had the Messwert expressed as BAU/mL (67.2), (>= 11.2 as positiv) and stated that „Die Einheit entspricht dem internationalen WHO-standard“. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 21 hours ago, Eric7 said: Is this the light bulb moment? People thinking the German authorities haven´t got a fucking clue and couldn´t organise a piss up in a brewery is not the same as agreeing the vaccination is dangerous or that there is a conspiracy. Just read back and see how many complaints there are about that very fact. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 1 hour ago, jeba said: Meanwhile there is a WHO standard at least for neutralizing antibody tests and each lab should be able to convert their results into the WHO units (BAU/volume where BAU stands for binding antibody units). "Should be able" doesn't mean "is able" though, at least in Cyprus, as I found out the hard way. Problem is, AFAIK nobody knows what amount and what type of antibodies/t-cells are good enough protection. Many studies out there, but agencies like FDA clearly state as from last week that Antibody tests should not be used to indicate protection. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/resources/antibody-tests-guidelines.html 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 22 minutes ago, Keleth said: People thinking the German authorities haven´t got a fucking clue and couldn´t organise a piss up in a brewery is not the same as agreeing the vaccination is dangerous or that there is a conspiracy. Just read back and see how many complaints there are about that very fact. This. Unless you are an idiot, it's very simple to see the two points as distinct. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 11 hours ago, kiplette said: Oooh. Cabin Pressure fan? Yes but not why I used it here.Memories of childhood Geography classes and the fact it popped up in the news because of another coup this week. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 1 hour ago, MikeMelga said: Problem is, AFAIK nobody knows what amount and what type of antibodies/t-cells are good enough protection. True, but at least you can now compare results between different labs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 What good does it do to know how many antibodies you have? What does it change? Wouldn't some people not get vaccinated if their antibodies were high? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 32 minutes ago, fraufruit said: Wouldn't some people not get vaccinated if their antibodies were high? Surely if their antibodies were high... they don't need vaccination to boost their antibodies ??? Or am I missing something ? 🤔 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 42 minutes ago, fraufruit said: What good does it do to know how many antibodies you have? What does it change? Wouldn't some people not get vaccinated if their antibodies were high? Isn't that the basis of "genesen"? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 2 hours ago, fraufruit said: What good does it do to know how many antibodies you have? What does it change? Wouldn't some people not get vaccinated if their antibodies were high? If my antibodies had still been high I wouldn´t have gone for a 4th vaccination yet. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 1 hour ago, bennetn said: Isn't that the basis of "genesen"? No. The antibodies routinely tested for don´t tell you whether you had the infection or were just vaccinated. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 52 minutes ago, jeba said: No. The antibodies routinely tested for don´t tell you whether you had the infection or were just vaccinated. Really? So Genesen isn't based on the fact you already have anitbodies in your system so therefore no vaccination required - for whatever time they think those antibodies are present in high enough numbers as not to require it? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 Bit lacking on facts and figures but... Quote Two-thirds of people recently infected with the Omicron variant say they had already had Covid previously. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60132096 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 9 minutes ago, bennetn said: Really? So Genesen isn't based on the fact you already have anitbodies in your system so therefore no vaccination required - for whatever time they think those antibodies are present in high enough numbers as not to require it? you are considered "genesen" if you satisfy these criteria: Quote Fachliche Vorgaben für Genesenennachweise, mit Wirkung vom 15.01.2022: Ein Genesenennachweis im Sinne der COVID-19-Schutzmaßnahmen-Ausnahmenverordnung und der Coronavirus-Einreiseverordnung muss aus fachlicher Sicht folgenden Vorgaben entsprechen: a) Die Testung zum Nachweis der vorherigen Infektion muss durch eine Labordiagnostik mittels Nukleinsäurenachweis (PCR, PoC-PCR oder weitere Methoden der Nukleinsäureamplifikationstechnik) erfolgt sein UND b) das Datum der Abnahme des positiven Tests muss mindestens 28 Tage zurückliegen UND c) das Datum der Abnahme des positiven Tests darf höchstens 90 Tage zurückliegen. means you had a positive PCR test result at least 28 days ago and no more than 90 days ago. That's a really narrow window of oportunity. Not very practical. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 13 minutes ago, bennetn said: Really? So Genesen isn't based on the fact you already have anitbodies in your system so therefore no vaccination required - for whatever time they think those antibodies are present in high enough numbers as not to require it? Really! Otherwise you'd need a blood test to obtain "genesen" status, not a PCR test. Also, the routine anti-spike antibody tests don't tell whether you have antibodies due to vaccination or due to infection. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Jan 2022 Just now, karin_brenig said: That's a really narrow window of oportunity. Not very practical. Remember it's based on politics , not actual science. 😑 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites