3G in Restaurants?

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6 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

Your disconnection with reality is abysmal. 

She seems like she's trying to help. 

 

Not saying anything controversial either. I don't understand why do many people are angry and aggressive on this thread. 

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1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

I suggest that for those that are fully vaccinated  being able to lead an almost normal life is definitely a perk though! :P

Depends on what one defines as „normal“.  Fortunately all of us in Konstanz can enjoy the outdoor nature park we live in, but the choir isn’t the same while we can’t all practice together.  Vaccinated elderly and immunocompromised people are often isolated and depressed.  Restaurants and retail are suffering abysmally.  Schooling has been disrupted and parents are thoroughly stressed.  The masses are on edge.  I take no pleasure in getting to go to a cafe or Schwimmbad while so many people are suffering, plenty of whom are boosted like me.

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1 hour ago, Acton said:

I think it's time for you to shut the fuck up.

 

That sounds awfully like a keyboard warrior threat.
Surely not though.

 

Edit: And maybe you should be a bit more consistent...
 

On 06/01/2022, 12:38:32, Acton said:

This is an anonymous forum. People can say what they want. if it is unacceptable, then the moderators delete it.

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28 minutes ago, karin_brenig said:

 

you can get a doctor's note over the phone or via video chat.

https://www.kvn.de/Patienten/Coronavirus/Krankschreibung.html

 

Well it would have been helpful to include that info in the quarantine paperwork. I’ve never had to get a doctor’s note because I’ve been freelance and just worked through colds (that is a totally different topic) or I’ve never been sick enough when I have had contract jobs. But the first place I would go would be to a doctor’s office for a doctor’s note. 
 

I’m hoping my doctor can issue a doctor’s note to save me the trouble, but I fear it might be too late. 
 

It’s just frustrating because they say the quarantine paperwork is enough and the insurance companies say the same (I called), but then work says the opposite. I mean I get it, standard procedure of doctor’s notes in Germany, but it’s been two years already. This should have been sorted out. I don’t consider it standard procedure with the Infektionsschutzgesetzt in place, IMO. The Gesundheitsamt just gives out emails to write to like candy and then no one responds. They don’t know their ass from their elbows. Ugh.
 

Ok vent over. It’ll get sorted. 😳

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1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

Much to my surprise that is the first post of yours that I largely agree with at least in respect to the current vaccines and vaccination status in most countries around the world.

Vaccination is however still worthwhile whether you believe it offers some protection against infection and serious illness or not, it will undeniably get you into a restaurant etc.

 

Na, you see! Good that we can agree on something ;)

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3 hours ago, BethAnnBitt said:

The Swiss have such a model.  Since November of 2021 anyone (vax/unvax, Swiss/non-Swiss resident) can pay (roughly 75€) to take an antibody test, and if one has the proper antibody score then for 90 days one has the same freedoms there as boosted folks.  After 90 days one can do the same again.  I know an unvaccinated person who had Covid last April who is working this program successfully.  Once upon a time I believe @MikeMelga suggested something of the sort.  

Yeah, my idea would be a 3 month valid pass after an antibody test. For all. If you are recovered and don't want to vaccinate, get such a test. If you are vaccinated but have developed no antibodies, you lose your status.

The problem is defining good metrics for pass/fail.

 

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9 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Yeah, my idea would be a 3 month valid pass after an antibody test. For all. If you are recovered and don't want to vaccinate, get such a test. If you are vaccinated but have developed no antibodies, you lose your status.

Yeah, it’s an interesting proposition.

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The problem is defining good metrics for pass/fail.

Yeah, my limited understanding of the subject is that this is murky territory.  My recovered/unvaccinated friend (10+ months out) had a score of 68 while 8-11 was acceptable.  At first glance that seems super high, but one really needs to dig deeper to fully understand.  I’m considering paying for a test (boosted 12/15) in the future to know where I stand.  I can afford it, but it’s not worth it unless it can provide me with meaningful ℹ️ which I am capable of interpreting.

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I'll say it again - my hema/oncologist told me that the antibody tests aren't reliable. She and some of her colleagues did a little experiment and tested themselves twice in one week and the numbers were all over the place for each one.

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35 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Yeah, my idea would be a 3 month valid pass after an antibody test. For all. If you are recovered and don't want to vaccinate, get such a test. If you are vaccinated but have developed no antibodies, you lose your status.

The problem is defining good metrics for pass/fail.

 


That’s a good idea, but what about other circumstances? I asked my doctor and the Impfzentrum in Munich and I was told I have to wait 3 months after my recovery date to get my booster. I’m not going to shell out money for an antibody test to be told I need to get my booster and then go and try to get my booster and they say no because of my recovery status. I’m cheap 🤣.

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More news

 

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As a new version of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus spreads in parts of Asia and Europe, the World Health Organization recommended Monday that officials begin investigating its characteristics to determine whether it poses new challenges for pandemic-weary nations.

Known as BA. 2, the new version of the virus is a descendant of the omicron variant responsible for huge surges of covid-19 in the United States and elsewhere around the globe. Virologists are referring to the original omicron variant as BA. 1.

 

 

here

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Interesting idea but when do you stop.  People exposed to SARS still have immunity 18 years later.  Should they have to pay for 4 tests a year ad infinitum ? And SARS was much more dangerous than this one. 

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1 hour ago, Jonny said:

Being able to lead a normal life should not be a perk. It's a right that has been slowly removed by governments who certainly in the UK at least,  have given themselves more power than they ought to have.

 

We are in a pandemic, governments have implemented emergency measures, most of which are supported by the majority of their populations. Here in Germany, in an attempt to avoid another heavy lockdown, they are protecting the most vulnerable (unvaccinated) by shielding them from situations where the less vulnerable (fully vaccinated and boosted) are at less risk of infection and serious illness. Hard on those for those who for medical reasons can't be vaccinated but  those who choose not to honour the social contract  and get vaccinated only have themselves to blame.

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58 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Yeah, my idea would be a 3 month valid pass after an antibody test. For all. If you are recovered and don't want to vaccinate, get such a test. If you are vaccinated but have developed no antibodies, you lose your status.

The problem is defining good metrics for pass/fail.

Capacity may also be a problem.

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1 hour ago, fraufruit said:

I'll say it again - my hema/oncologist told me that the antibody tests aren't reliable. She and some of her colleagues did a little experiment and tested themselves twice in one week and the numbers were all over the place for each one.

I've made some research a few months ago and the problem is that there is no single antibody test. There are dozen of approaches and there is no consensus on which are a better indicator of immunity.

My idea is to be as fair as possible. But of course there are technical issues with it, including as others said, costs and capacity.

It's only worth to think about it if we can find a simple, cheap test with good metrics.

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Seriously?

We´re now getting to the pathetic arguments of who is posting from where etc.FFS (acronym used so as not to upset PandaMunich) people as long as they can type intelligible English who cares where they´re posting from, they can post from Ouagadougou for all it matters.

 

 

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4 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

I've made some research a few months ago and the problem is that there is no single antibody test.

Ah ok that´s all sorted then MMs been on google so what he says must be right.

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13 minutes ago, Keleth said:

they can post from Ouagadougou for all it matters

 

Oooh.

 

Cabin Pressure fan?

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13 hours ago, fraufruit said:

I'll say it again - my hema/oncologist told me that the antibody tests aren't reliable. She and some of her colleagues did a little experiment and tested themselves twice in one week and the numbers were all over the place for each one.

I had 2 blood tests done at 2 different labs (because the first lab wasn´t able to test for anti-nucleocapsid antibodies proving prior infection). Their results regarding anti-spike antibodies (the ones indicating your response to the vaccine) were consistent.

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