BREXIT positives and negatives

[Wulfrun 23,047]

33 minutes ago, Feierabend said:

Who on earth is Michael Green? Does he run a parish council somewhere in Toryshire?

(Forgive my ignorance! The names of the next Saviour of the UK change so quickly ...)

 

As far as I can tell, Michael Green is an alias used by Grant Schapps for his business operations

 

[hooperski 29,417]

3 hours ago, Feierabend said:

Who on earth is Michael Green? Does he run a parish council somewhere in Toryshire?

(Forgive my ignorance! The names of the next Saviour of the UK change so quickly ...)

 

 

Nothing shady going on here, move along.  Bunch of sleazebags, Honourable Gentlemen, my arse.

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/grant-shapps-second-job-michael-green-michael-crick-doorstep

 

[murphaph 9,675]

Truss resigns. 

[hooperski 29,417]

6 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Truss resigns. 

 

Lacked support?

 

[murphaph 9,675]

You could say that lol.

[El Jeffo 42,120]

 

Make that "three prime ministers"

[Janx Spirit 11,077]

The peeps at Wiki are quick   :

 

The shortest period in office

 

"Of those with clear terms, the prime minister with the total shortest period in office was Liz Truss, whose sole term lasted between 44 and 51 days from 6 September 2022 until her resignation on the selection of a successor, within one week of 20 October 2022."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=Of%20those%20with%20clear%20terms,week%20of%2020%20October%202022.

[murphaph 9,675]

I don't know about you lot but all this taking back control is not what I expected. I can only chuckle to myself when I think back at those bygone days when certain members here used to tell us that the UK held all the cards and would break free of the shackles of the EU and show us how it's really done! Now the mess around NI seems like a sideshow. Westminster itself is in utter chaos. Makes 1980's Irish politics look strong and stable.

[Janx Spirit 11,077]

And then there's this Golden Spoon she can shove up her arse:

 

"Furious Brits share anger over £115,000 Public Duty Costs Allowance for Truss - after just weeks as PM"

 

Quote

Despite being the shortest serving PM in British history, with a government that tanked the economy, she will be able to claim £115,000 per year from the taxpayer for the rest of her life.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/anger-over-115-000-public-duty-costs-allowance-liz-truss/

[fraufruit 41,959]

That stinks.

 

Might pay the gardeners at her country estate.

[yesterday 1,980]

Dont really think there is a disscussion in the UK, about the UK rejoining the EU. This will take years .... The losses have not even been factored in to the UK yet. Or at least thats, the impression I get.

[keith2011 2,579]

2 hours ago, Janx Spirit said:

And then there's this Golden Spoon she can shove up her arse:

 

"Furious Brits share anger over £115,000 Public Duty Costs Allowance for Truss

Is that subject to the 45p rate of income tax?

[Fietsrad 386]

1 hour ago, yesterday said:

Dont really think there is a disscussion in the UK, about the UK rejoining the EU. This will take years ... The losses have not even been factored in to the UK yet. Or at least thats, the impression I get.

Very "unlikely" and surprising things happen, like in Germany 1989. I would not be surprised if the UK applied to rejoin the EU, sooner or later. Might take longer than the Wende.

 

What a contrast: we "suffered" sixteen years of stability under Angela Merkel, the Rt Hon Member for southwest Norfolk just lasted six weeks😉

 

Perhaps we will wake up to find BoJo in number ten, as if he had never left.

[Eric7 542]

The PDCA is theoretically only to cover actual costs incurred by continuing to fulfil public duties. Clearly open to abuse though.

 

In 2020/21:
Major & Blair both claimed the maximum £115,000
Brown claimed £114,712
Cameron £113,423

 

Sorry @keith2011, no income tax due.

 

Edit: Sir Nick Clegg managed to claim £444,775 under this scheme, until he finally grew a conscience in 2020.

[murphaph 9,675]

The fact that Johnson is a candidate at all speaks volumes about how low British politics has stooped.

[Janx Spirit 11,077]

14 minutes ago, murphaph said:

The fact that Johnson is a candidate at all speaks volumes about how low British politics has stooped.

 

I don't think the bar has been very high for a long time, sadly... nowadays anyone with a modicum of moral standards is ousted smartly. But, as anywhere, there have always been rats aboard political ships, across the whole wide world  

[alexunterwegs 542]

5 hours ago, Janx Spirit said:

The peeps at Wiki are quick   :

 

The shortest period in office

 

"Of those with clear terms, the prime minister with the total shortest period in office was Liz Truss, whose sole term lasted between 44 and 51 days from 6 September 2022 until her resignation on the selection of a successor, within one week of 20 October 2022."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=Of%20those%20with%20clear%20terms,week%20of%2020%20October%202022.

Didn't need to be Einstein to predict it happening either.  Even when she was Foreign secretary, I thought she was hopelessly over promoted. 

[tor 16,895]

[theGman 3,516]

16 hours ago, murphaph said:

I don't know about you lot but all this taking back control is not what I expected. I can only chuckle to myself when I think back at those bygone days when certain members here used to tell us that the UK held all the cards and would break free of the shackles of the EU and show us how it's really done! Now the mess around NI seems like a sideshow. Westminster itself is in utter chaos. Makes 1980's Irish politics look strong and stable.

 

I was wondering about this last night. i.e. has this shitshow all been caused by Brexit? I decided, not really, it's more the other way around. Brexit is a consequence of this shitshow that started way before 2016.

 

I feel this all started with the 2008 financial crash, and since then it's been a series of strange events and moments in time that lead to now. The crash led to the shitshow coalition that formed in 2010. The terrible austerity policy. The ass hats UKIP gaining ground by blaming the UK's problems on the EU. Cameron then using a referendum to get UKIP votes in order to win the 2015 election. The shambles of the referendum. A result which, I believe, could only have been achieved in that exact, strange moment in time. Theresa May then gambled with a GE, lost, and then got blackmailed by the ERG and DUP meaning Brexit couldn't succeed. Resulting in the rise of the deplorable Johnson. An inept Labour party imploded, giving Johnson a huge win in 2019 and allowing his ineptitude to further send the country spiralling into the shitshow we have now.

[murphaph 9,675]

Still, though, Truss was chosen by the ERG grouping to "protect Brexit" (ironically from the Brexiteer Sunak, Truss originally being a remainer but presumably only because she thought remain would win). Brexit was a profound change in the political landscape, not some side-effect. If all the other things had happened, but the Brexit referendum gone the other way, then the UK would absolutely not be in the utter mess it's in now.