BREXIT positives and negatives

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Just now, alexunterwegs said:

The irony is that the NI economy is doing relatively well thanks to being in the EEA Single Market. That's something Johnson & Co are scared stiff the wider British public will twig. That would lead to more asking why the rest of GB couldn't have stayed in the Single Market. So he's thrown his lot in behind the Ulster unionists trying to pretend they speak for NI. 

If tthis ends up as a trade war with the EU, it will be the British consumer that comes off worst, especially those on the lowest  incomes,. not that that will bother Johnson unduly. 

 

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4 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Cue hails from thick fucks to leave the jurisdiction of the ECHR:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61806383

 

(Leaving themselves with no protection from a right wing, bordering on autocratic Tory government)

They're only bordering on autocratic because they've only just begun testing the waters.

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It does seem like things are going to hell in a handcart and domestically too. A major rail strike, imminent, chaos at the airports, further erosion of employment rights, P&O was just a starter, inflation and what about this regarding the NHS:-

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Ambulance waits: 'Can you please tell them to hurry up or I shall be dead'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61791151

 

He (and the rest of the Tories) has to go!

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27 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

It does seem like things are going to hell in a handcart and domestically too. A major rail strike, imminent, chaos at the airports, further erosion of employment rights, P&O was just a starter, inflation and what about this regarding the NHS:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61791151

 

He (and the rest of the Tories) has to go!

 

Christ, how awful and avoidable. :( 

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6 hours ago, keith2011 said:

It does seem like things are going to hell in a handcart and domestically too. A major rail strike, imminent, chaos at the airports, further erosion of employment rights, P&O was just a starter, inflation and what about this regarding the NHS:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61791151

 

He (and the rest of the Tories) has to go!

This sort of thing you cannot really blame on Brexit but rather just the usual utter incompetence and total disregard of the real world of the Tory party.

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16 hours ago, Keleth said:

This sort of thing you cannot really blame on Brexit but rather just the usual utter incompetence and total disregard of the real world of the Tory party.

 

True you can't blame it all on brexit but on the other hand you can blame brexit on the Tories and to be honest those who vote for them time after time.:(

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5,000 people hit by Heathrow flight cancellations

 

The bit that attracted my interest:

 

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However, Mr Lundgren (EasyJet boss) said the company was having to "turn down EU applications" for jobs because of Brexit, which had also contributed to the smaller pool of potential workers.

 

"We turned down 8,000 applicants from the EU," he said, which equates to 40% of all people applying for jobs at the airline.

 

"I'm not blaming... but of course it has an impact. It's just smaller, it's just maths," he said.

 

The Department for Transport has been contacted for comment.

 

I'm so pleased that I don't live in that Septic Isle anymore.

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1 hour ago, Chelski said:

5,000 people hit by Heathrow flight cancellations

 

The bit that attracted my interest:

 

 

I'm so pleased that I don't live in that Septic Isle anymore.

Talking to a Greek guy this evening who lives in Amsterdam and currently visiting our village on Crete. He said the same problems at the airport in Amsterdam- delays ohne Ende. They can't get the staff- corona backlash. People switched jobs during the lockdown.

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On 02/06/2022, 09:09:04, keith2011 said:

 

 

100% employment then.

 

Frankly, it looked like MAN had been taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood the other week. Why would they need to import EU citizens ?

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Maybe they should offer jobs to some of those "illegal" immigrants instead of trying to send them to Rwanda at great cost!

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After almost three years out of the UK, I've been back three times in the last four weeks. It really doesn't feel like "home", and everyone seems to avoid the Brexit-sized elephant in the room at all costs. At the Eurostar check-in (for which I started queueing up outside Kings Cross), they kept apologising for the delays due to the need for "extra security and covid checks". No mention that Brexit is the reason that all UK passports need to be individually checked and stamped (by outgoing UK customs as well as incoming French customs) before you've even left the country. As for Covid, you just show the app whilst waiting in the queue, so that is being added as a real red-herring.

 

Today we can expect to see legislation being proposed which allows the use of agency workers to break strikes, and there isn't any sort of public outcry about this. Folk in the UK (ok, perhaps not all of them) don't seem to care because they only care about their own train cancellations, and as such currently see strikes as a moaning hangover of over-indulged, lazy workers, rather than the last desperate bargaining chip to try to get management to listen. Once this change comes into force (and it looks like it will), everyone in the UK can look forward to asking their bosses for a raise. I'm sure they can enjoy realising that such request is tantamount to resigning.

 

I guess this race to the bottom is "levelling up".

 

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1 hour ago, dstanners said:

Today we can expect to see legislation being proposed which allows the use of agency workers to break strikes, and there isn't any sort of public outcry about this. Folk in the UK (ok, perhaps not all of them) don't seem to care because they only care about their own train cancellations, and as such currently see strikes as a moaning hangover of over-indulged, lazy workers, rather than the last desperate bargaining chip to try to get management to listen. Once this change comes into force (and it looks like it will), everyone in the UK can look forward to asking their bosses for a raise. I'm sure they can enjoy realising that such request is tantamount to resigning.

 

I guess this race to the bottom is "levelling up".

You are totally pissing in the wind posting that on this forum.

This forum is mostly populated by people who believe the businesses themselves are the important thing and unions are bad because they affect profits.

Strikes are bad because they inconvenience people, well that´s the whole idea of a strike but there ya go.

It´s apparently fine to offer people a 2% pay rise when inflation is 9% because the company's stock should not be allowed to suffer. People are only "pushing buttons, flipping burgers, driving trains, cleaning offices" etc etc and if they want better pay then they should get a better job as long as a company's value keeps increasing then why should we give a fuck about employees or how they´re treated.

It´s amazing how during Covid these workers were praised and people talked about their real value to the world, now Covids over let's piss on them from a great height.

It´s a sad world when working people are seen as the bad ones and the million and billionaires are seen as the heros.

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Keleth said:

You are totally pissing in the wind posting that on this forum.

This forum is mostly populated by people who believe the businesses themselves are the important thing and unions are bad because they affect profits.

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Where on earth, or on this forum, is your evidence for this statement? 

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Here is what a rail worker states as being the real cause of the strike.

"They want all operatives across the country to be gone and replaced with a job role called assistant technician.

"The duties of this role would include travelling to various locations throughout the country in your own vehicle, therefore using more fuel and having to change your insurance policy to allow for business use, therefore costing the worker more money.

"They also want to bring in cross-discipline working so they want staff to be able to work with various departments using skills that people have mastered over years of experience.

 

Mick Lynch says his union is prepared to negotiate with government

"However, they expect us to do their highly skilled work even though we are not trained to do the task.

 

"Network Rail wants to attack our pension scheme and make us work more weekends with reduced rest periods between shifts, therefore making staff more fatigued and increasing the risk of serious injury."

 

https://news.sky.com/story/rail-strikes-worker-explains-reasons-for-walkout-saying-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-money-12637876

  

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6 hours ago, Feierabend said:

Where on earth, or on this forum, is your evidence for this statement? 

You´ve not read the Tesla thread I take it?

Also just ask the general question on who would be willing to let the value of their shares decrease if it meant the workers at those companies got better pay.

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10 hours ago, dstanners said:

Brexit is the reason that all UK passports need to be individually checked and stamped (by outgoing UK customs as well as incoming French customs) before you've even left the country. As for Covid, you just show the app whilst waiting in the queue, so that is being added as a real red-herring.

 

Don't understand this I travelled last month by air (Munich to Heathrow) and no stamp was given going or coming back, passport check on arrival at Heathrow was by machine admittedly via a huge zigzag fast moving queue but I put that down total failure of concept, if queues form for machines it means there is not enough of them. The non EU passport check on returning to Munich was shorter that the EU one!

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3 hours ago, Keleth said:

You´ve not read the Tesla thread I take it?

Also just ask the general question on who would be willing to let the value of their shares decrease if it meant the workers at those companies got better pay.

So the people who choose to post on the Tesla thread are representative of the forum population as a whole? Not a very good statistical sample. Maybe read  the Cheddar Cheese thread too to get a bit of balance.

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