BREXIT positives and negatives

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On 05/01/2022, 00:04:17, alexunterwegs said:

indeed celebrations about re-introducing imperial measures, shows how deranged these people are.  Is there anywhere else in the world where people celebrate re-focussing their economies back to past centuries?

 

There have been several petitions doing the rounds regarding a switch back to imperial measurements for everything. Maybe that will help with a US trade deal...

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8 minutes ago, Mackle said:

Maybe that will help with a US trade deal

Not if they switch to 'uk' imperial measurments.

 

To get 1 UK teaspoon, you need to measure 1.399 US teaspoons.
To get 1 UK tablespoons, you need to measure 1.041 US tablespoons
To get 1 UK cup, you need to measure 1.066 US tablespoons
To get 1 UK fluid ounce, you need to measure 0.961 US fluid announces
To get 1 UK pint, you need to measure 0.832 US pints
To get 1 UK gallon, you need to measure 0.832 US gallons
To get 1 UK ton, you need to measure 1.12 US ton
 

 

This is not any easier than using metric units (just different).

 

 

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On 12/01/2022, 22:39:41, murphaph said:

The EU will be more than happy for the UK to move to a Norway or CH style deal

 

During the negotiations there was a lot said from people within Brussels that they did not want another Switzerland with hundreds of mini-deals, as the Swiss arrangement was enough of a headache as it was.

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On 10/02/2022, 22:05:49, alexunterwegs said:

Latest is that the esteemed Minister of Brexit Propaganda (oops sorry Opportunities) wants Sun readers (yes, man of the people) to write to him telling which old EU regulations they'd like to see abolished.

 

A lot of them may well say the working time directive, since Farage managed to weaponise it and completely pervert what the directive is there to do.

 

Also, Farage's replacement (Richard Tice) has also been vocal since taking over the ReformParty about the need to get rid of the WTD.

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On 25/01/2022, 00:15:57, Wulfrun said:

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So Mr. Brexit has shown himself in the last week to be a Russian shill (who would have thought hey @murphaph :rolleyes:).  Along with fellow Brexit Campaigner George Galloway, whose impassioned monologue last night was absolutely shocking.

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Hi Everyone, 

It is great to hear that you are still talking abou BREXIT. 

Obviously BORIS is hoping that Putin will stop any grumbles about BREXIT and start blaming the Russians who helped him get elected. 

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As for #6, "Say we did it first".

 

Whatever happened to Partygate anyway? Seems to have gone the way of covid news.

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We must all stand behind the Prime Minister in the current situation and not create dissent, so point 4 above.

 

He will get away with all his bumbling and law breaking because of a pandemic and a war.

 

A slippery turd.

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On 09/03/2022, 21:48:39, kiplette said:

A slippery turd.

More like a bad case of diarrhoea...

 

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On 10/03/2022, 00:48:39, kiplette said:

He will get away with all his bumbling and law breaking because of a pandemic and a war

 

One of the unauthorised biographies of Boris Johnson is titled "The Gambler", and it tries to paint his bumbling as a persona that he can hide a more calculating mind behind.

 

So if the author's take on Johnson has some merit, then he'll see this as an opportunity to airbrush out things that might impact him in the polls.

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Just was reading up on the P&O, sacking of 800  work force on the ships and hiring cheaper foreign people to do the jobs.

 

Turns out that the union RMT, was advising their members to vote leave in the UK Brexit referendum to protect jobs in shipping, this kinda of thing was illegal while the UK was in the EU, now that the UK has left EU anything goes 

 

Still sorry for the people who voted leave and lost their jobs.

Brexit Ferry Disaster as 800 Jobs Instantly Lost - YouTube

 

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42 minutes ago, yesterday said:

Just was reading up on the P&O, sacking of 800  work force on the ships and hiring cheaper foreign people to do the jobs.

 

Turns out that the union RMT, was advising their members to vote leave in the UK Brexit referendum to protect jobs in shipping, this kinda of thing was illegal while the UK was in the EU, now that the UK has left EU anything goes 

 

Still sorry for the people who voted leave and lost their jobs.

Brexit Ferry Disaster as 800 Jobs Instantly Lost - YouTube

 

Not quite. It appears that P&O have acted illegally by not advising of redundancies prior to the act. They also did not carry out the minimum 45 day consultancy period as req'd by law and they have not stated the terms of the redundancy package nor offer staff the opportunity to work in different roles within P&O. On top of that, as far as I am aware they are still not allowed to make someone redundant and then immediately give their jobs to someone else. If they intended all along to use agency staff or sub contract the roles the staff should have been transferred to the new contractors with current terms and conditions being transferred with them. After a minimum period can these terms be changed. So this is not really a consequence  of Brexit but more like the actions of arrogant foreign owners who think they can do what they want. Incidentally, the BBC reports the dispute will cost 1m GBP for everyday the ships don't sale and the government are thinking of asking for their Covid loans back

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Could be very good if less unnecessary transport back and forth is done in future. PO has carried flowers from NL to GB, for example. Makes more sense to grow flowers in GB. And more food, of course. Perhaps we shall learn to love, or appreciate, This bxxxt Madness.

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Not sure this is really an EU/Brexit thing as different countries in the EU have their own rules on fire and rehire.   P&O may have not followed all the rules, but I doubt the penalty will be that bad (I am pessimistic these days).   But here is a photo-op gone wrong for the delightful Natalie Elphick, Conservative MP for Dover ..

 

 

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20 hours ago, Fietsrad said:

Could be very good if less unnecessary transport back and forth is done in future. PO has carried flowers from NL to GB, for example. Makes more sense to grow flowers in GB. And more food, of course. Perhaps we shall learn to love, or appreciate, This bxxxt Madness.

There´s always one isn´t there.

 

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On 19/03/2022, 00:23:46, French bean said:

Not quite. It appears that P&O have acted illegally by not advising of redundancies prior to the act

 

I saw something about the workers being contractually based in Jersey, and therefore P&O can argue that UK employment law does not apply, only Maritime Law?

 

I don't think they've got right to disbanding employment law post-Brexit yet, although interestingly things like TUPE existed in the UK well before EU minimums were introduced.

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9 minutes ago, Mackle said:

based in Jersey, and therefore P&O can argue that UK employment law does not apply

TUPE is effective provided there is a UK establishment. The port of Southampton would fulfil that criteria, irrespective of the choice of law in the employment contracts.

In my view the liability will be far more than a slap on the wrist. 

The failure to inform RPS 45 days prior to the planned redundancies exposes the Directors to an unlimited fine. On top of that there will be employment lawyers jumping up and down to take cases to tribunal for unfair dismissal and TUPE breaches. The error in the cavalier approach of saying, "you're all fired" was compounded by the announcement that the roles were now due to be carried out by agency staff. That demonstrates 1) that there was no genuine redundancy and 2) that there was an outsourcing (under TUPE, a service provision change).

I know companies which have carried out similar steps, but only ever with fewer individuals involved, and always accompanied by an immediate announcement of generous severance payments (under settlement agreements) significantly above and beyond any likely tribunal award. That doesn't appear to be the case here. With 800 individuals in one go, the risk of a number of them rejecting even a generous offer, or at least some of them making the technical point (rarely tested) that the obligations to inform/consult under TUPE can be sustained irrespective of a settlement agreement, is significant. 

It is also not unusual to have contractual indemnities with the outsourcing provider (the staffing company in this case), pushing the liability to them. Again though, with 800 individuals, and the high profile nature of the company, it seems a flawed strategy.

Tribunals are likely to have plenty of sympathy for claimants like these former employees. That said, the courts and tribunals are overwhelmed at present, and the claimants are unlikely to get anywhere near a judge until the back end of next year. That fact alone may make many of the individuals prepared to consider settlement offers.

 

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