BREXIT positives and negatives

[Wulfrun 23,291]

[murphaph 9,843]

Indeed. Even here our once vociferous Brexit Brigade has completely abandoned ship. Backed the wrong horse completely. More news out of Ireland:

 

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Rosslare Europort sees post-Brexit boom in European freight volumes
Co Wexford port among biggest beneficiaries of UK’s exit as traders shift from ‘landbridge’

Continues...

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/rosslare-europort-sees-post-brexit-boom-in-european-freight-volumes-1.4784638

 

Ireland quite simply does not need GB. It's a big market, but not the only market and if Ireland can manage, then the EU as whole can most definitely manage with the UK outside the SM & CU. There never was any prospect of German car makers or anybody else risking the integrity of the greatest political achievement the world has known. Nowhere else on the face of the earth have so many countries with such a long history of slaughtering each other, come together to form a single market that binds them together in economic union and the resulting peace that comes out of it. The Brexiteers were effectively asking European states with millions of dead throughout history, to endanger this peace. They completely failed to understand what it is all about and still do. Utter morons.

[Janx Spirit 11,331]

"Dover queues: The firms struggling with Brexit red tape"

 

 

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On the approach into Dover, there are queues of lorries parked in one lane of the A20, stretching back for miles.

 

They're being held along this road to avoid congesting the town, as they wait to board ferries across the Channel.

 

Queues are not uncommon close to Britain's main trading hub with the EU, but they've been really long in recent weeks.

 

And a month after more post-Brexit border bureaucracy came into force, many businesses, smaller ones especially, are struggling to cope.

 

 

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Long delays

Drivers waiting at a customs facility in Dover - most of them from elsewhere in Europe - are phlegmatic, but fed up.

 

"I'm waiting maybe one hour, next week maybe five hours, it's always different," said one.

 

"When we're waiting, there's no money," said another.

 

For drivers who are paid by the kilometre that's a real concern and it means some will be reluctant to come back.

 

The drivers blame cancelled ferry crossings - there are temporarily fewer ferries in operation than normal.

 

But they also cite the post-Brexit rules that now govern their working lives.

 

Last year, which was Britain's first outside the EU single market and customs union, companies had 60 days to fill in UK customs documents after exporting goods to the EU.

 

But since 1 January, those forms have to completed in full, before lorries and vans can board ferries heading for Europe every day.

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But while those who still believe they can make a profit are finding new ways to trade, and to cope with bureaucracy and delay, others have concluded that it is no longer worth the hassle.

 

Global trade rebounded pretty well last year from the slump produced by the Covid pandemic in 2020.

 

But there was not much bounce back for British trade with the EU.

 

Many European exporters who used to trade into Great Britain seem to have decided to focus their attention elsewhere in the single market instead, or further afield.

 

German exports to the rest of the EU, for example, grew by 17% in the first eleven months of last year, compared to the same period in 2020. They also rose by 18% to the US.

 

But exports to the UK fell by 2%.

 

That's a massive difference. Britain is doing much less trade with Europe than it used to.

 

Full story here: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60161094

[alexunterwegs 548]

On 1/27/2022, 1:34:12, murphaph said:

Indeed. Even here our once vociferous Brexit Brigade has completely abandoned ship. Backed the wrong horse completely. More news out of Ireland:

 

What I couldn't understand about them, is how Brexit could possibly be in the interests of any British national living in Europe.  I can perhaps understand someone who has never set foot beyond the port of Dover, has all their holidays in Blackpool or Jersey, not seeing many direct benefits from the EU in their lives. But not someone whose life is based in mainland Europe.

 

Even for those who had all their rights to live or work here tied up well before Brexit, they will surely retain ties to the UK. Virtually every Brexit measure is designed to make life more awkward, from receiving and sending packages, cost of phone calls, getting a mortgage, keeping a bank account in the UK. Even if none of that were a problem, there's the simple fact UK nationals have to queue up at the border in the Other Third Countries queue, where all the difficult questions get asked. In fact, here in Germany, so many things get divided into EU and non-EU, where non-EU generally means second class. 

Makes you wonder if some of those Brexit fans on here were all genuinely living in Europe.     

[French bean 3,463]

You have to remember who started the Brexit ball rolling with the Referendum Party and that was set up by multi millionaire banker James Goldsmith. He was the original driving force for leaving Europe whilst UKIP was on the sidelines. Once the referendum party was dissolved in 1997 those who were anti Europe were then enticed by the new leader of UKIP - Nigel Farage  with his anti immigration, keep Britain British agenda. Interestingly, Goldsmith was of German Jewish descent and Farage is of French descent. Now both were very wealthy businessmen with Goldsmith being far more successful. Goldsmith had a fear of German dominance and Farage had a fear of the EU tax laws. It was the proposed EU tax transparency laws that finally got the wealthy like Farage, BoJo, JRM and many City bankers and dealers united enough to raise the funds to fight for Brexit. They have no interest in ordinary everyday people, just protecting their wealth and they do have the funds to bankroll a political message which they did do very successfully and it has to be said with the help of a lot of thick UK politicians. Anyone remember the debacle of the UK pulling out of the ERM under John Major and his Chancellor Norman Lamont? That did so much damage to the EU in British eyes. Later George Osbourne and David Cameron described by a number of European politicians as a pair of amateurs were just totally blind sided by UKIP. Gordon Brown can't be removed from criticsm because he carried on with the deregulated banking system that led to the financial crisis of 2007/8. All this fed neatly into the populist message being sent out by UKIP. So that's my interpretation of how so many people allowed Brexit to happen, as for it being or not being in the interests of ex pats, your average Brit doesn't give a toss about anyone else except themselves first and then those close to them.

[fraufruit 42,493]

1 hour ago, alexunterwegs said:

so many things get divided into EU and non-EU, where non-EU generally means second class. 

 

Welcome to my world and others for the last 30+ years.

 

I watched Boris' whole apology speech today for party gate which he still doesn't admit he did. He said the Sue Gray report determined nothing and everyone has to wait for the police investigation to come out. He doesn't even get that PM's don't get investigated by the police as far as I know. You guys may know different. It was really laughable. 

 

Then he went on and on about getting Brexit done and what a great success it is and his handling of covid. 

 

He is Trump. Pure and simple.

[French bean 3,463]

He's worse, he has some intelligence that Trump never had.

[john g. 37,776]

1 minute ago, fraufruit said:

 

Welcome to my world and others for the last 30+ years.

 

I watched Boris' whole apology speech today for party gate which he still doesn't admit he did. He said the Sue Gray report determined nothing and everyone has to wait for the police investigation to come out. He doesn't even get that PM's don't get investigated by the police as far as I know. You guys may know different. It was really laughable. 

 

Then he went on and on about getting Brexit done and what a great success it is and his handling of covid. 

 

He is Trump. Pure and simple.

He's not THAT good!😂

( Satire alert...)

[White Rose of Yorkshire 1,099]

The British Goverment has published the following document, 108 pages long explaining the benefits of Brexit.

"This policy document sets out how the UK is capitalising on the benefits of Brexit and how the government will use its new freedoms to transform the UK into the best regulated economy in the world."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-benefits-of-brexit?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications-topic&utm_source=ca645887-75fa-4cda-bec4-a0000c6b161d&utm_content=immediately

 

 

 

 

 

[murphaph 9,843]

It's a bit like when you have to explain a joke, because it's crap.

[john g. 37,776]

Or the joke hearer isn't that recipient to wisdom ( or nonsense)..

[kiplette 8,795]

5 hours ago, fraufruit said:

I watched Boris' whole apology speech today for party gate which he still doesn't admit he did.

 

My favourite youtube family on Partygate a couple of weeks back:

  "We'll Have to Wait for Sue Gray's Inquiry" - original song by The Marsh Family - YouTube

 

And 2 days ago:

"When the PM's Not Engaged in His Employment" - Marsh Family adaptation of Pirates of Penzance - YouTube - (foetid Tigger )

 

Waiting to See What Tomorrow Brings 

 

[keith2011 2,678]

4 hours ago, fraufruit said:

He is Trump. Pure and simple.

 

No way and he is certainly not pure or simple.

I do have a sneaking admiration for his achievement of becoming the top politician of the land despite his non-conformity and obvious unsuitability in many respects. Parties and alcohol well what do expect given his privileged upbringing, Eton teaches them that they are superior to the rest of us.

Unlike US presidents British PMs are not above the law either in office or after leaving and I believe he will be prosecuted for attending and organising parties during lockdown and if found guilty may  be liable to pay a moderate fine.

[pappnase 2,653]

44 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

I believe he will be prosecuted for attending and organising parties during lockdown

I think he will get the standard £200 fixed penalty notice for attending a party, I guess some of the 'repeat offender' fines might also apply, but even if they throw the book at him it won't amount to more than 20k in fines. I'm sure some wannabe knight of the realm will just bung him a brown envelope to cover that and trebles all round, back to business as usual.

The whole criminal investigation thing is just a way to get Sue Gray's report neutered by making it's content prejudicial to an ongoing investigation and therefore illegal to publish.

 

And yeah you are absolutely right nothing 'pure' or 'simple' about that bastard or any of the shower who support him in parliament.

 

[French bean 3,463]

20k in fines? How's he going to afford that on top of the Child Support for these extra marital children he has - they're just the known ones, he might be paying hush money to the mothers of the others. Oh I know, get a loan on very very generous terms from his mates. As Pappnase says a future Knight of the Realm might be willing to help out.

[HH_Sailor 3,655]

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This policy document sets out how the UK is capitalising on the benefits of Brexit and how the government will use its new freedoms to transform the UK into the best regulated economy in the world.

 

Official (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-benefits-of-brexit) 
UK Gov paper that somehow fails to mention any advantages for now,

but reckons that in the future (when??) things will improve.

OK Lorries will be allowed to be heavier (is that an advantage?) 
Flight duty across the UK will be reduced (so it's cheaper to create more CO2 to fly from London to Bristol?) 

 

I suppose the Brexiters will be able to cherry pick the statements and turn them into "advantages".

Wonder if someone will fact check it all to put the statements in balance??

 

 

The benefits of Brexit: how the UK is taking advantage of leaving the EU     (PDF 10MB / 108 pages)

 

[keith2011 2,678]

15 hours ago, pappnase said:

I think he will get the standard £200 fixed penalty notice for attending a party, I guess some of the 'repeat offender' fines might also apply

 

Seems that the police do not normally publish the names of people subject to fixed penalty fines, which would apply in the case of disobeying covid restrictions, so we may not even know how much or if he is punished by the law for it.

 

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The prime minister's spokesman has refused to "speculate" on whether any potential punishments of Boris Johnson or officials would be made public.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60218870

[keith2011 2,678]

[pappnase 2,653]

I suppose if Sajid wants the PM's job then it might get interesting but otherwise I think we can all guess the results of the police investigation.

 

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Bas Javid, sibling of Sajid Javid, is the second highest ranking officer in the department that decided not to investigate the force’s handling of the gatherings

 

 

[john g. 37,776]

Pressure:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news