BREXIT positives and negatives

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1 hour ago, Namu said:

I agree. Probably this might be the really good thing about Brexit: The UK has to finally deal with their problems. I just hope that the government and some parts of the press do not start blaming the EU for all ills again. Punishment etc. It's always easier to believe it's the fault of foreigners.

 

From memory wasn't  UK Parliament sovereignty one of the major brexiteer arguments?:D

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1 hour ago, Namu said:

The EU is not a trade association. It is much more. And no the UK in the state it is is not a desirable member 

I'd forgotten that I'd wandered into a TT thread.:rolleyes:

 

Whatever it is it would be stronger with a major member like the UK. If the UK was a trouble maker or the British people were against it, then you can see that other EU states wouldn't want the UK joining. But we were talking about a future UK/England where that wouldn't be the case.  

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1 minute ago, Dembo said:

Whatever it is it would be stronger with a major member like the UK

 

I feel like the longer the UK stays out of the EU the less true this will become.

The UK had a huge place in the world as part of the legacy of empire and the shared common language with the US, but the empire is long gone and the commonwealth countries are drifting apart. The Anglican church is strongly divided, and no-longer has the power or status to elevate the UK as a world player. The special relationship is on shaky ground and relationships with China are not at their best either.

 

The reality is that the UK is a couple of small islands off the coast of an important trading block still trading on past glory, but in reality all but a spent force. Standing alone the UK will eventually become completely irrelevant IMO,

 

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25 minutes ago, Dembo said:

I'd forgotten that I'd wandered into a TT thread.:rolleyes:

 

Whatever it is it would be stronger with a major member like the UK. If the UK was a trouble maker or the British people were against it, then you can see that other EU states wouldn't want the UK joining. But we were talking about a future UK/England where that wouldn't be the case.  

Sigh, thank for your first sentence. The rest is really irrelevant.

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I don't think the EU would be bending over backwards to re-admit the UK were they to re-apply today. For a start, I don't think the previous budgetary rebate would be on the table, and who knows they might expect the UK to join Schengen or sign up to the euro, even if other members are not all signed up. 

 

However, I don't think they would stand in the way of re-negotiating an arrangement similar to Switzerland's or Norway's. In fact they've been encouraging the UK to adopt that direction since the Brexit decision, even now during the stand off over NI. That would overcome so many of the post Brexit problems at a stroke, and from the EU's viewpoint, it would benefit commercially, without UK politicians getting involved in setting the EU's policies.  

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The EU will be more than happy for the UK to move to a Norway or CH style deal, the closer the better, but the EU will not let an unreformed UK anywhere near full membership and the levers of power. I fully expect the UK will be back in the customs union and single market much sooner than we originally thought, and will have to accept freedom of movement to do so. And pay into the EU budget of course. Without any say in how it's spent. Brexit was such a bad idea that this "bad" deal is still way better than it.

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Iceland has a similar or same deal with the EU as Norway.  Most people there do not want full membership of the EU because they fear that they will have to pay more or give more access to their fish or whatever but are perfectly happy to stay with the current deal they have.  Some want to leave Schengen though.

 

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So what's the skinny on Boris?  Will he be forced to resign?  Would love to hear what the natives think. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/14/booze-swing-no-10-hangover-party-prince-philip-boris-johnson

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I am a native. He is a clown and the whole damn circus should get out. They are an utter disgrace the lot of them. Révolution beckons.

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I really do not think even bojo can survive this, we can but hope that his parties will take down his Party with him. They are all in it throw the lot out and make sure the ERG are never seen again!

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I despair a little because the void would be filled by what ? More of the same ?

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53 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

I really do not think even bojo can survive this, we can but hope that his parties will take down his Party with him. They are all in it throw the lot out and make sure the ERG are never seen again!

Oh he can, he's a bit of a Houdini. How many bumbling shallow light weights have made it as far as he has and despite the image he's not as stupid. It's the people behind him in the shadows we have to watch. Talking of which, with the present state of the Tories, it would be really great if JRM lost his seat at the next election.

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2 hours ago, optimista said:

I despair a little because the void would be filled by what ? More of the same ?

 

I still have hope that there some socialist and radical thinkers left in the Labour Party and with Sir Keir keeping the loony left under control ...who knows..

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I saw em graduate. It wasn t pretty. So I left the island 30 odd years ago. Sadly my prescience has been confirmed. :(

 

Just out of interest, has anyone tried to apply for a pension from one of those private company pensions the gov told em all to buy into ?? Mergers, acquisitions, bankrupcies... you can spit into the wind and nothing comes back. Many people have been robbed and have no recourse. No noise so far... If you were wondering where the hole at the end of the stock market was, I think I have an inkling.

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36 minutes ago, optimista said:

Just out of interest, has anyone tried to apply for a pension from one of those private company pensions the gov told em all to buy into ??

 

I took a cash payout and early pension from my final salary (+AVCs)  opted out UK company pension, the original company I worked for was bought out twice ultimately by HP in the nineties. UK pensions,  where contributions were made before 1997, are not subject to a legally required inflation increases though most companies do give them, HP has not increased my pension in the entire 15 years I have been getting it bar#t+*ds.  Needless to say I don't buy HP products or recommend them to anyone else.

Having said that at least I am still getting something but feel for those who have been ripped off even worse!

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49 minutes ago, optimista said:

 

Just out of interest, has anyone tried to apply for a pension from one of those private company pensions the gov told em all to buy into ?? Mergers, acquisitions, bankrupcies... you can spit into the wind and nothing comes back. Many people have been robbed and have no recourse. No noise so far... If you were wondering where the hole at the end of the stock market was, I think I have an inkling.

I'm already seeing how shit things are going, I'm trying to combine 4 small pensions but the providers won't do it unless I get professional advice. No one will look at them because they can't make money out of them. Then if you look at the estimated monthly pension against the amount in the fund, you will see that you are only likely to see half of that money paid to you before you die. e.g if you have 100K in the fund, one firm in particular will only give you 200GBP per month, that's 2,400 / annum, you live another 20 years which is still above average life expectancy then you'll only get 48K back. (yes inflation and cost of living rises have to be taken into account).

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4 hours ago, keith2011 said:

.. and with Sir Keir keeping the loony left under control

 

The L-L is the big problem - and why BoJo won the last election.

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My sis worked in the same factory over several decades. It changed hands many times. There were different funds. She has been given a list of helplines to phone to see how and where to claim... my crystal ball is telling me she gonna get nowhere fast.

 

I paid into one 30 odd years ago. The defunct company does not appear on the gov.co.uk list of defuncts. So now what ? They gonna come looking for me ?

 

Same in Germany. I await hearing from the finance company running the company pension scheme. So far no joy making contact. 

 

I anticipate a pattern emerging.

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2 hours ago, French bean said:

... the providers won't do it unless I get professional advice.  

What sort of tactic is that ??:angry:

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1 minute ago, optimista said:

What sort of tactic is that ??:angry:

That's their get out of jail free card when they don't pay out. If you don't get advice then your fault for not getting advice, if you do then it's your adviser's fault for misadvising you.

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