BREXIT positives and negatives

[keith2011 2,579]

Well I would say this is a very worrying negative but maybe some think otherwise?

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The UK government is to relax the regulation of gene-edited crops to enable commercial growing in England.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58711230

[Wulfrun 23,047]

Foreign lorry drivers say they ‘won’t help UK out of the s**t they created’

[keith2011 2,579]

10 minutes ago, El Jeffo said:

 

Blaming Merkel for Brexit? Really?

 

What's next? Blaming her for killing your tomato plants and getting your dog pregnant?

 

I don't know if you misread what I wrote or perhaps it was too complex for you but your response clearly demonstrates your failure to understand even a quite simple concept!

[HEM 11,075]

Well thats not too surprising is it?  Having been made unwelcome & then allowed back for a limited time I'd not jump at that offer.

[yesterday 1,979]

15 hours ago, fraufruit said:

TOSOTA

 

Go on then I admit I have now idea what this means, shame on me 

 

Did  try asking google, and it suggested, I was looking for TOYOTA ...

 

 

So what is it

 

 

[Wulfrun 23,047]

[murphaph 9,670]

The Brexiteers were recently stomping their feet about the NI Protocol claiming that it was completely unnecessary because sure the UK had the same standards or higher even than the EU. Now the UK government announces its intention to deregulate genetically edited crops and is considering it for all organisms. We do not want this loosely tested junk ending up in our crops. That is the sort of thing the protocol is designed to protect the EU from. If the great British public is happy to allow GB be turned into a Petri dish for Monsanto etc. then that's their call, but the EU must ensure the protocol is implemented in full by then at the very latest and if not, the TCA should be suspended.

[Wulfrun 23,047]

18 minutes ago, yesterday said:

 

Go on then I admit I have now idea what this means, shame on me 

 

Did  try asking google, and it suggested, I was looking for TOYOTA ...

 

 

So what is it

 

 

Try The Other Side Of The Argument

[BethAnnBitt 2,907]

27 minutes ago, yesterday said:

Go on then I admit I have now idea what this means, shame on me 

 

Did  try asking google, and it suggested, I was looking for TOYOTA ...

 

So what is it

TOSOTA = „the other side of the argument“ -  read back to her original quote in the thread 

@fraufruit is always having fun  😀

[keith2011 2,579]

20 minutes ago, murphaph said:

The Brexiteers were recently stomping their feet about the NI Protocol claiming that it was completely unnecessary because sure the UK had the same standards or higher even than the EU. Now the UK government announces its intention to deregulate genetically edited crops and is considering it for all organisms. We do not want this loosely tested junk ending up in our crops.

Absolutely, I despair, does the government not realise how risky this is. It would not just ban those crops in the EU but could place any manufactured food from the UK under further suspicion, including English cheddar cheese.

[murphaph 9,670]

If you get your "news" from the Daily Fakespress as many in the UK do you will be presented with this:

 

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Brexit lets farmers 'unlock benefits' as EU red tape slashed to create 'healthier food'
ENGLAND is set to relax rules on gene editing and genetic modification which "could unlock substantial benefits to nature and the environment" and produce "healthier, more nuticious food," according to the Government.

 

[French bean 3,463]

What PR / Marketing numpty wrote that?

[fraufruit 41,956]

1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

Well I would say this is a very worrying negative but maybe some think otherwise?

Quote:

The UK government is to relax the regulation of gene-edited crops to enable commercial growing in England.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58711230

 

Who's going to pick the crops?

[Wulfrun 23,047]

[Metall 14,514]

1 hour ago, murphaph said:

The Brexiteers were recently stomping their feet about the NI Protocol claiming that it was completely unnecessary because sure the UK had the same standards or higher even than the EU. Now the UK government announces its intention to deregulate genetically edited crops and is considering it for all organisms. We do not want this loosely tested junk ending up in our crops. That is the sort of thing the protocol is designed to protect the EU from. If the great British public is happy to allow GB be turned into a Petri dish for Monsanto etc. then that's their call, but the EU must ensure the protocol is implemented in full by then at the very latest and if not, the TCA should be suspended.

 

1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

The UK government is to relax the regulation of gene-edited crops to enable commercial growing in England.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58711230

 

@murphaph: Is there significant farm land in Northern Ireland to go and try out gene edited crops on? /sarcasm (or not?)

 

But still, I'm somehow reminded of the history behind the Great Potato Famine... Britain farming their own expensive crops (mostly wheat) in Ireland and not caring when the population's staple potatoes failed... of course no connection between the new crops and the new plant diseases suddenly appearing...

[cb6dba 7,318]

1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

Well I would say this is a very worrying negative but maybe some think otherwise?

Quote:

The UK government is to relax the regulation of gene-edited crops to enable commercial growing in England.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58711230

It's a bit of a complex issue that.

 

We've been genetically modifying crops for 1000s of years via selective breeding. Check out what ancient water melons were like to see jut how good we have been at it. 

This is however a little bit different, directly changing the genes of a plant etc, circumventing 1000s years of work, it's a great idea right. has the potential to result in drought resistant crops, crops that are more resistant to pests and maybe could even save crops that we eat a lot of that are just clones, they do exist, we all know what a banana is.

 

However, I'd say there are potential problems with it all. Firstly how much testing has been done and do we have an idea of how much testing is enough to prove one of thee crops safe? Short answer is, not  lot for people that are ok with all thus and never enough for people that are not ok with it.

Secondly we have the economic issue. If someone develops a new crop it tends to belong to them. This can get stupid at times, there were cases in the US where farmers were being sued for having copyrighted crops growing in their fields. basically the seeds flew over there, as they do, as they were intended to do, took root and grew. The US may be a special case but these are the things you have to keep an eye out for.

 

Then again, this is gene editing which is not the same as gene modification (at least as far as the article goes). What is funny is that the article could have just presented the info (although I'd say there is a noticeable positive slant on the info) and not mentioned the EU regulations and how they differ. 

 

This is where I would not trust the UK goverment;

" The government is reviewing what measures it would need to bring in to maintain consumer choice, such as labelling and traceability "

 

In my opinion if these types of crops can be grown and sold, they should be labeled as such, but anyone growing them won't want that as it may put people off buying them. Then the product has to be made so cheap people will buy it, even if just because they have no other choice.

This is where I do not trust the government. There are potential prices rises on the horizon and that will make them look bad. if these crops are more cost effective then they may take the edge of that.

 

 

[El Jeffo 42,120]

43 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

 

Who's going to pick the crops?

 

That's the beauty of genetic engineering: just splice in a few hand genes and they'll pick themselves!

[Dembo 497]

I always thought the hysteria around "Frankenstein Foods" was a bit exaggerated and indicative of the general public misunderstanding of science. The arguments about testing and knowing that they're safe long term are basically the same as we've heard from vaccine refusers after all.

 

Of course nothing makes the British people want something more than hearing that the EU have banned it. I wonder if the British government and MEPs of the time voted against a ban? 

 

 

[hamogles 18]

1 hour ago, cb6dba said:

 

 

We've been genetically modifying crops for 1000s of years via selective breeding. Check out what ancient water melons were like to see jut how good we have been at it. 

 

 

yes, modern water melons are bigger, more watery and have blander taste than their predecessors.

[murphaph 9,670]

1 hour ago, fraufruit said:

 

Who's going to pick the crops?

The space robots! Didn't you see my post above??