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Digital Impfpass, Vaccinated in USA

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Hello All,

I got vaccinated when I visited family in California back in May. Unfortunately now I’m having trouble getting a digital Impfpass. Apparently since it’s an EU certificate it doesn’t recognize vaccines given outside the EU. All the pharmacist agree it’s silly but still won’t give it to me. Has anyone in this situation had luck finding a pharmacy that will issue the QR code? Preferably on the west side of town (I live in untermenzing)

 

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I guess 99,8% of vaccinated people got the jabs in their country of residence and not somewhere on holiday. I was on holiday in June in the Netherlands. I’m a Dutch citizen, but no resident, so not possible to make an appointment. Perhaps you can talk to your GP?

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maybe the pharmacist is wrong?  I suggest you look up the regulations on the EU Impfpass, I'm sure there's a whole book somebody in Brussels wrote about it.  Perhaps the rule isn't what the pharmacist thinks it is. 

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8 hours ago, DoubleDTown said:

maybe the pharmacist is wrong? 

 

Not really. They don't have to verify third country vaccinations.

 

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I suggest you look up the regulations on the EU Impfpass, I'm sure there's a whole book somebody in Brussels wrote about it. 

 

EU-Verordnung 2021/953

 

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11 hours ago, cmaDecky said:

Hello All,

I got vaccinated when I visited family in California back in May. Unfortunately now I’m having trouble getting a digital Impfpass. Apparently since it’s an EU certificate it doesn’t recognize vaccines given outside the EU. All the pharmacist agree it’s silly but still won’t give it to me. Has anyone in this situation had luck finding a pharmacy that will issue the QR code? Preferably on the west side of town (I live in untermenzing)

 

Thanks!

 

I got vaccinated in Wiesbaden on the Army installation.  We were given US CDC vaccine cards.  My husband and I took our CDC cards to a pharmacy in nearby Wallau and got our E.U. certificates with no hassle at all.  I even wrote a blog post about the process.  Not to pimp my blog, but here's my post on it if you're interested.  https://thetravelingovereducatedhousewife.blog/2021/06/25/how-americans-can-get-covid-19-legit-in-germany-via-the-cov-pass/

 

I recommend you ask another pharmacist, or maybe consider going to a pharmacy in an area where there are a lot of Americans.  We emailed the pharmacist in Wallau before we visited, just to make sure we wouldn't be wasting our time.

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8 hours ago, engelchen said:

 

They don't have to verify third country vaccinations.

EU-Verordnung 2021/953

 

 

Indeed, the EU regulation is written such that the EU Digital COVID Certificate is designed to confirm vaccination in the country issuing the certificate.  Which makes some sense, but not all sense.  But sense doesn't matter - that's how it is written. 

 

Council Regulation (EC) 2021/953 on a framework of interoperable vaccination certificates (EU Digital COVID Certificate)    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/DE/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32021R0953

 

Article 3, the EU framework is to provide for interoperability of  Sec. 1(a) "a certificate confirming the holder has received COVID-19 in the Member State issuing the certificate"

 

If someone got a vaccination at a U.S. base that is in Germany, then they did indeed get vaccinated "in the Member State".  But if someone got vaccinated in California, they did not.

 

but compare Sec. 1(a) to Article 3, Sec. 1(b) (regarding tests) and 1(c) (regarding recovery from disease) - which don't mention anything about either the test or the recovery confirmation having to be in the member state.  

 

compare also to Article 5, Sec. 1 "Each Member State shall ... issue the vaccination certificate referred to in point (a) Article 3(1) to persons to whom COVID-19 vaccine has been administered."    This article arguably includes the bit about the vaccine was administered in the Member State by referencing Art. 3, Sec. 1(a); but isn't clear. 

 

It seems the spirit of the EU regulation is that vaccine certificates be issued to provide for freedom of movement, and that Member States recognize the certificates of other Member States. 

 

I'm not an EU law specialist or a Rechtsanwalt, but one way to read this regulation is someone receiving dose 1 of a COVID vaccine in the Netherlands and dose 2 of the vaccine in Germany would have to go to a Dutch authority for one certificate and to a German authority for the other certificate. 

 

In my opinion it is within the spirit of the regulation for a German Apotheke to recognize a CDC card from California, but perhaps not within the letter of the EU regulation.  More important to an Apotheke is what the relevant German regulations say and what any guidance from the Apothekekammer says. 

 

But I suspect if you go to enough Apotheken you will eventually get somebody that issues you an EU Digital COVID Certificate.

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"Anders sieht es hingegen aus, wenn Personen in die Apotheke kommen, die in Nicht-EU-Mitgliedstaaten geimpft wurden. Hier besteht laut besagter EU-Verordnung keine Verpflichtung zur Ausstellung eines digitalen Impfnachweises. Allerdings ist auch hier eine Ausstellung möglich, wenn die oben genannten Gesichtspunkte zutreffen. Zusätzlich ist zu beachten, dass der verimpfte Impfstoff eine Vakzine sein muss, die auch in der EU zugelassen ist. Dazu gehören derzeit vier Impfstoffe: Comirnaty® von Biontech/Pfizer, Vaxzevria® von Astra-Zeneca, der Covid-19-Impfstoff von Moderna und der Einmalimpfstoff von Janssen (Johnson & Johnson)."

https://www.pharmazeutische-zeitung.de/digitale-impfnachweise-fuer-impfungen-im-ausland-zulaessig-126447/

 

Apparently, German pharmacies are allowed to issue you the QR code if you were vaccinated in a non-EU country but live in Germany. However, they don't have to do it.

 

I would suggest you contact several pharmacies in your area via email and ask them. 

https://www.mein-apothekenmanager.de/

 

 

 

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Thank you all for the feedback. A lot of it confirms what I was hearing before from the pharmacists. I’ll try calling around, or maybe bring my card the next time I’m in town.

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I wish this system could be made more simple and global.  It’s in everyone’s best interests for people to be able to easily prove they’ve been vaccinated.

 

Good luck!

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9 hours ago, knotheadusc said:

I wish this system could be made more simple and global.  It’s in everyone’s best interests for people to be able to easily prove they’ve been vaccinated.

 

 

Well - it already is simple and global: 

 

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and works for dozens of other vaccines too

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12 minutes ago, HH_Sailor said:

 

 

Well - it already is simple and global: 

 

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and works for dozens of other vaccines too

Yes, I have one of those yellow books, too.  I meant the app.  

 

Also, I was trying to be nice, so there's no need to be snarky.

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12 minutes ago, HH_Sailor said:

 

Well - it already is simple and global: 

 

 

Unfortunately, it is not simple or consistent for everyone.  As I learned when I received my Moderna vaccinations from the U.S. military at Ramstein, U.S. citizens receive the white CDC card and the doctors administering the injections will not endorse the yellow WHO immunization certificate.  No exceptions.  My German wife received her Moderna vaccinations by the U.S. military in Wiesbaden.  The German doctor who monitored the process entered the information in her Impfbuch.

 

I did not have any problems with my local Apotheke when I presented the CDC card for the QR code certificate.

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12 minutes ago, JG52 said:

 

Unfortunately, it is not simple or consistent for everyone.  As I learned when I received my Moderna vaccinations from the U.S. military at Ramstein, U.S. citizens receive the white CDC card and the doctors administering the injections will not endorse the yellow WHO immunization certificate.  No exceptions.  My German wife received her Moderna vaccinations by the U.S. military in Wiesbaden.  The German doctor who monitored the process entered the information in her Impfbuch.

 

I did not have any problems with my local Apotheke when I presented the CDC card for the QR code certificate.

 

Yes, I got my vaccines in Wiesbaden and I noticed people there with the yellow book (I do have one, but it's in storage in the USA).  I did see one lady in Wiesbaden getting her info recorded in the yellow booklet.  I don't know if she was German or American. 

 

Everybody getting the shots on the installations get the white CDC cards by default.  We were lucky enough to find a local pharmacist who didn't have an issue giving us the certificates, anyway.  Not everyone is that lucky, from what I've read.

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German pharmacists shouldn't have a problem with CDC cards that say the vaccine was administered in Germany, i.e..U.S. posts in Wiesbaden or Ramstein.

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My card doesn't specifically say it was administered in Germany.  There's a stamp from the clinic, but I imagine if I took the card to an area where the local pharmacists aren't familiar with the military clinic stamps, there could be a problem.

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