Bundestagswahl 26th of September 2021

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1 hour ago, HEM said:

My daughter, who works in the Tox-Lab of the UKE Rechtsmedizien, says this will be a disaster.

 

Because of the thousands of marijuana overdose deaths that occur every year?

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1 hour ago, HEM said:

My daughter, who works in the Tox-Lab of the UKE Rechtsmedizien, says this will be a disaster.

It worked in Portugal, but you have to do it right.

First, it's not about making it legal. You just decriminilize it Meaning it's not legal to buy or sell, but small quantities are not criminalized.

Second, it has to be much more than just a legal thing. You need a comprehensive support plan to avoid people getting addicted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal

 

Portugal decriminalized ALL drugs, including heroin (!) and overdoses dropped, consumption did not grow or even had a slight drop.

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3 hours ago, El Jeffo said:

Because of the thousands of marijuana overdose deaths that occur every year?

 

Already there is more (=much more) canabis than alcohol in the blood tests ordered during Verkehrskontrollen.

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4 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

First, it's not about making it legal. You just decriminilize it

Decriminalising possession sounds like one of those nice "half way houses" to people who agree that the "war on drugs" has failed, but are more concerned that their middle class kids at uni might get a criminal record for smoking a joint and miss the big picture. I think that is flawed. If you legalise drugs, you remove the criminal element from the supply chain: that has to be the real potential upside...and of course, once production is lawful, it can be taxed (as well as quality controlled) and still remain cheaper than an illegal product.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, dstanners said:

. If you legalise drugs, you remove the criminal element from the supply chain: that has to be the real potential upside...and of course, once production is lawful, it can be taxed (as well as quality controlled) and still remain cheaper than an illegal product.

 

Exactly

 

And if the test for the drug is as simple as a breathelyser then people will learn to not kiff and drive. 

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If I remember correctly, marijuana stays in the system for about 72 hrs. - long after the high has worn off. I think that is with a blood test, though.

 

I read today that some guy in Singapore just got a death sentence because of possession. Of course, everyone knows that is the law there.

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48 minutes ago, dstanners said:

Decriminalising possession sounds like one of those nice "half way houses" to people who agree that the "war on drugs" has failed, but are more concerned that their middle class kids at uni might get a criminal record for smoking a joint and miss the big picture. I think that is flawed.

Actually no. Criminal record for smoking a joint was always irrelevant in the Portuguese society. Companies have no access to criminal records, for example.

 

The point is to consider addited consumers as people with a health problem instead of criminals. And to tolerate casual consumers.

At the same time, Portugal did not want to legalize it to prevent becoming a new Amsterdam.

 

And take a note on the detail: ALL drugs are decriminalized. If they were legal, then heroin and cocain would be legal and people would be able to manufacture them.

 

48 minutes ago, dstanners said:

If you legalise drugs, you remove the criminal element from the supply chain: that has to be the real potential upside...and of course, once production is lawful, it can be taxed (as well as quality controlled) and still remain cheaper than an illegal product.

It's already very cheap and with good quality.

The main criminal element is that Portugal is one of the entry doors to the European market, and that would not change.

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13 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

If I remember correctly, marijuana stays in the system for about 72 hrs. - long after the high has worn off. I think that is with a blood test, though.

 

I read today that some guy in Singapore just got a death sentence because of possession. Of course, everyone knows that is the law there.

 

...and even longer than 72 hours depending on how often you use it.   The guy in Singapore was caught importing over 2 lbs, not simple possession.

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1 minute ago, fraufruit said:

Thanks, I missed that part. It was pretty scary living there with a teenage son who I knew was getting high.

Oh God yes.  More than "pretty" scary!

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4 hours ago, fraufruit said:

If I remember correctly, marijuana stays in the system for about 72 hrs. - long after the high has worn off. I think that is with a blood test, though.

 

I read today that some guy in Singapore just got a death sentence because of possession. Of course, everyone knows that is the law there.

Yes, it is the law. Or was. dunno.I remember flying there late 1980s and the pilot gave out the message but maybe not so dramatically as " you will be sentenced to death."

And I just wonder whoever decides these killings of often young people thinks he has that right. 
Maybe just before he spanks the maid and gets a hard on?

Singapore is not Third World but the hypocrisy.. the same judge who swills imported whisky? 

 

I remember this movie:

 

https://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Express-Paolo-Bonacelli/dp/0767817486

 

Your kids may well experiment with stuff you disagree with. Should they be hanged?

 

 

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4 hours ago, snowingagain said:

Oh God yes.  More than "pretty" scary!

You got high a few times, right? Didn't many of us?

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11 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

It worked in Portugal, but you have to do it right.

First, it's not about making it legal. You just decriminilize it Meaning it's not legal to buy or sell, but small quantities are not criminalized.

Second, it has to be much more than just a legal thing. You need a comprehensive support plan to avoid people getting addicted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal

 

Portugal decriminalized ALL drugs, including heroin (!) and overdoses dropped, consumption did not grow or even had a slight drop.

Just curious, Mike. Have you ever smoked a joint?😄

 

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2 hours ago, john g. said:

You got high a few times, right? Didn't many of us?

Jeez, never in Singapore or any of the Arab states or similar.  I guess if you a child attending a international school it may feel normalised.  But like most things, if you were not well connected you got the shit end of the deal.  When you get a bit of dope or whatever in Singapore or Saudi, some poor guy can end up being hanged.   That put me off it.  How can you enjoy it when you know someone may die getting it to you? Same is of course true with drugs in Europe, though less direct.   I would like to be able to grow a few plants with mild effects, and avoid all the death and criminals.   

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20 hours ago, HEM said:

 

Already there is more (=much more) canabis than alcohol in the blood tests ordered during Verkehrskontrollen.

 

Because pot stays in the blood for longer and Germany is of course so backwards that they made if a punishable offence against your driving license if they find any traces at any time.     You might even lose your license and be sent to the idiots test if they find pot in your blood but you were not even driving anything.

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1 hour ago, Krieg said:

Because pot stays in the blood for longer and Germany is of course so backwards that they made if a punishable offence against your driving license if they find any traces at any time.

Then it´s you´re own fault.

I have no problem with it being legalised but if you take it nowadays then don´t fucking whine if they find it in your blood while driving.

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41 minutes ago, Keleth said:

Then it´s you´re own fault.

I have no problem with it being legalised but if you take it nowadays then don´t fucking whine if they find it in your blood while driving.

 

How is it reasonable to lose your drivings license because of traces of pot 72 hours after a person took it, which means, like 64 hours of non been high?  Nanny state much?

 

And then how it has anything to do with driving if you are caught high and NOT DRIVING ANY VEHICLE?

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Looks like the Talks about Talks are complete, ready to start Talks.

 

Speculation is that the fdp has got the others to agree not to use tax to redistribute wealth: poor stay poor, rich stay rich  :-(

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Here is the basis on which they have agreed they can discuss:

Ergebnis der Sondierungen.pdf_bn-234442324.pdf (welt.de)

There are an awful lot of platitudes about cutting red tape and digitalisation, which is a lot easier to say that put into any practical form: particularly given that both of those words form the basis for the vast majority of the programme. For example, cutting red tape and digitalisation are going to be responsible for building more renewable energy plants and also more houses. Knowing how much fuss gets kicked up as soon as someone suggests building a wind turbine here in the Eifel, I wonder how many people consider the right of local residents to be involved in planning discussions and appeal decision to be pointless red tape?

There are a few concrete points though, including not to impose a general speed limit, and increase minimum wage to 12 euros.

Enjoy reading.

  

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The real talks can start, 22 working groups, three parties.

 

I think they are applying the motto: Wenn man mal nicht weiter weiss, grundet man ein Arbeitskreis. Weiss man danach noch nicht weiter, grundet man sogleich ein zweiter/if you do not know what to do, form a committee. If you still do not know, form another commitee %)

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