Bundestagswahl 26th of September 2021

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11 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

does it matter? If both together have more than 50%, there's your government.

How do they choose who the Bundeskanzler is if they're equal partners in a coallition?

 

 

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59 minutes ago, Dembo said:

How do they choose who the Bundeskanzler is if they're equal partners in a coallition?

 

 

By going cap in hand to the fdp, greens, linke and trying to get them to join together, offering all sorts of concessions.

 

Could take months so Merkel really could be 16 years in charge, she started on November 22, 2005.

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2 hours ago, Dembo said:

How do they choose who the Bundeskanzler is if they're equal partners in a coallition?

 

 

In Ireland the two main parties were virtually level on seats so they agreed to rotate the leadership of the country after two years in that grand coalition.

 

I'm not sure that's allowed here but I have never seen anything to suggest it would not be.

 

A 50.x% majority is bad news. It would constantly be at risk of collapse. A bit of a buffer is required for stable government.

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13 hours ago, Fietsrad said:

Could take months so Merkel really could be 16 years in charge, she started on November 22, 2005.

Hope not, we need a new government fast to force assholes to get vaccinated.

Or even better, now that elections are over, maybe they have the balls to force it even without a new government.

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13 hours ago, Fietsrad said:

By going cap in hand to the fdp, greens, linke and trying to get them to join together, offering all sorts of concessions.

 

Could take months so Merkel really could be 16 years in charge, she started on November 22, 2005.

 

That wasn't the question. But anyway, it seems to me that Schulz and Laschett are now in a race to see who can get the FDP on side. And that means it might get done quicker. But we'll see.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Hope not, we need a new government fast to force assholes to get vaccinated.

I was surprised there were voting booths for Maskenverweigerer at least in certain states. Like, if you refuse to wear a mask, they will give the whole room for you to vote, or put the booth outdoors. Crazy!

 

In Israel it was simple: no mask, no vote. Only one person was allowed to enter the voting station, and they had to wear a mask. Well, maybe it was not enforced strictly at Arabic and Ultraorthodox voting stations, but in all others yes. 

 

Given that, I do not believe any government in Germany will be capable of forcing vaccinations.

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7 minutes ago, yourkeau said:

In Israel it was simple: no mask, no vote. Only one person was allowed to enter the voting station, and they had to wear a mask. Well, maybe it was not enforced strictly at Arabic and Ultraorthodox voting stations, but in all others yes. 

Same in Portugal yesterday (local elections). But strictly enforced.

 

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Given that, I do not believe any government in Germany will be capable of forcing vaccinations.

Just talked with a girl that prefers to leave Germany than to get vaccinated. Sounds good!

They can easily force public servants, especially healthcare workers. They can also transform the 3G into 1G. At very least they should stop treating recovered as vaccinated. Otherwise people will get infected on purpose.

 

I think a lot of eastern europe and balcans natives will have problems within 4 weeks. They will want to go on holidays to their countries and they won't be able to come back unvaccinated without quarantine, as the numbers are groing there.

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9 minutes ago, Dembo said:

it seems to me that Schulz and Laschett are now in a race to see who can get the FDP on side

Whilst it was being discussed a fair bit last night, that's a bit of a side show in terms of forming an effective coalition. The parties who really need to speak to one another are FDP and the Greens. Each of those parties would be willing to work with CDU or SPD (although they each have a preference) but that isn't enough. FDP and Greens are diametrically opposed on many key issues, and have to consider what they will concede to each other (more than CDU or SPD) in order to form a government. 

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"German SPD seeks three-way alliance to replace Merkel-led coalition"

 

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The Social Democrats' chancellor candidate, Olaf Scholzsaid he aimed to build a coalition with the Greens and the liberal Free Democrats (FDP), saying Germans had voted to send Angela Merkel's conservatives into opposition after 16 years in power.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-spd-seeks-allies-replace-merkel-led-coalition-2021-09-27/

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Is there a possibility of a deadlock after coalition talks, and going for new elections?

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Side talking -

 

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Pranksters posing as a delivery service won a contract from the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) to distribute a million campaign flyers - instead sending the leaflets back to the party's offices two days before Sunday's election.

The AfD, which polls show with support of about 11%, said the "fraudulent operation" appeared to have been carried out by members of a Berlin-based art group called the Centre for Political Beauty.

"The flyers are now useless for our campaign," AfD co-chief Tino Chrupalla said in a statement. "This is precisely the goal of those behind this operation ... They are trying to intentionally harm the AfD in the election."

 

 

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3 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

Otherwise people will get infected on purpose.

Which may not be a bad idea - provided you´ve had your third vaccination. I´m seriously considering this as in the long run you can´t prevent exposure to the virus anyway and given that, it may be better to get it over and done with a few weeks after the 3rd jab (which I´ve had already), when your antibody levels are still high, than later when they´re down already.

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38 minutes ago, TurMech said:

Is there a possibility of a deadlock after coalition talks, and going for new elections?

Not really, the result might be about the same, what then?

 

I predict that the spd as largest party will lead green and yellow, The People would not approve of the second-largest party providing the Bundeskanzler.

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Certainly leaning that way:

 

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Der FDP-Vorsitzende Christian Lindner hat in einer Pressekonferenz erneut einen "Wahlerfolg" der FDP betont, sowohl auf Bundes- als auch Landesebene. "Wir wollen alles in unserer Macht stehende unternehmen, aus diesem Erfolg auch politische Gestaltung werden zu lassen", so Lindner. "Wir haben beschlossen, dass wir Sondierungen oder Vorsondierungen mit Bündis 90/Die Grünen aufnehmen", so Lindner. Das habe der Bundesvorstand so beschlossen.

 

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In a press conference, the FDP chairman Christian Lindner once again emphasized the FDP's "election success", both at federal and state level. "We want to do everything in our power to turn this success into a political one," said Lindner. "We have decided that we should start explorations or preliminary explorations with Bündis 90 / Die Grünen," said Lindner. That is how the federal executive board decided.

 

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18 minutes ago, jeba said:

Which may not be a bad idea - provided you´ve had your third vaccination. I´m seriously considering this as in the long run you can´t prevent exposure to the virus anyway and given that, it may be better to get it over and done with a few weeks after the 3rd jab (which I´ve had already), when your antibody levels are still high, than later when they´re down already.

Why the fuck would you do that??

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4 hours ago, yourkeau said:

I was surprised there were voting booths for Maskenverweigerer at least in certain states. Like, if you refuse to wear a mask, they will give the whole room for you to vote, or put the booth outdoors. Crazy!

 

I helped out with the voting and we were told that if they refused to wear a mask they should have the room to themselves. But actually, in our area where 40% of people voted AfD, nobody refused to put a mask on all day. Only one person came without a mask and they were pleased to see we had some they could use.

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29 minutes ago, jeba said:

Which may not be a bad idea - provided you´ve had your third vaccination. I´m seriously considering this as in the long run you can´t prevent exposure to the virus anyway and given that, it may be better to get it over and done with a few weeks after the 3rd jab (which I´ve had already), when your antibody levels are still high, than later when they´re down already.

This is kind of what Drosten suggested (though they denied it afterwards) in one of these podcasts recently: https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/podcast4684.html#items

 

Here's an article on why: https://www.rnd.de/gesundheit/christian-drosten-warum-sich-der-virologe-eine-corona-infektion-wuenscht-BACQ2XEIZFEW7LMU33H3SH75EM.html

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13 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Why the fuck would you do that??

Because as I said

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it may be better to get it over and done with a few weeks after the 3rd jab (which I´ve had already), when your antibody levels are still high, than later when they´re down already.

Ideally, I´d like to know the threshold dose of the virus which is enough to be immunogenic but not enough to cause symptomatic infection. I´ve read that there are challenge studies with healthy volunteers underway in the UK to find that out,  but strangely I´ve never read about at least intermediary results.

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