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Hello everyone,

I opened the mailbox today to find a letter from our landlord, UIS, informing us that unless we pay rent before 30/July we will be thrown out. Do they have the power to throw us out? I  was subletting my furnished room to another person while away on internship. I didnt know he, nor the other roommate werent paying. So do they have a legal basis to throw me out

I have attached the letter to this post.

 

Address - 09599 Freiberg Androhung fristose Kündigung 
Sehr geehrte Wohngeneinschaft, bei der Überprofung des Mietkontos haben wir festgestellt, dass Sie die Mietzahlung für die Monate Januar bis Juni 2021 nicht vollstandig geleistet haben. Trotz unserer Mahnung vom 04.06.2020 haben Sie keinerlei Zahlungen vorgenommen Ein Recht Miete einzubehallen oder zurückzubehalten wurde von Ihnen nicht behauptet und steht Ihnen auch nicht zu. Bei den offenen Mietzahlungen handelt es sich um den Mietanteil von Hern X und Herm X. Da Sie für die Mietezahlung gesamtschuldnerisch haften, fordern wir Sie im Namen des Wohnungseigentümers daher eindringlich auf, den nunmehr offenen Betrag in Hohe von 3.649,77 € welcher sich wie folgt ergibt: 
Nachzahlung BK 2019,
 Miete Januar 2021 
Miete Februar 2021 
Miete Marz 2021
 Miete April 2021
 Miete Mai 2021 
Miete Juni 2021
 Miete Jul 2021
 gezahit Gesamtrückstand 3.649.77 bis zum 29.07.2021 auf das Konto/IBAN: DE X, BIC: GENODEF1DL1 bei der VR Bank Mittelsachsen eG auszugleichen Solten Sie Ihrer Zahlungspflicht bis zu diesem Termin erneut nicht nachkommen, kündigen wir thnen die Wohnung fristios zu 31.07.2021. Für die Übergabe der Wohnung haben wir uns den 30.07.2021 um 14.00 Uhr vorgemerkt.
 

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P.S. I dont have enough money in my account to make the full payment of the rent, thats why I have subletted the room. I cant tell them that another person was subletting the room from me, because when I went there to ask for transfer docs for a determined period they said they dont have them, ergo me not signing a document with the subletor. I know I am not going to have the money bck from the person who subleted the room from me, also I dont want to lose it because it is close to the uni, work place and gf. What are your opinions? do they have the power to throw me out of the apartment without court order?

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You are going to need a lawyer or the Mieterverein. I don’t know if they can throw you out that day or not. You would have to speak to a lawyer about this. 

 

The subletting without permission is also a problem. 

 

You are going to have to pay that money back. Whose name(s) is/are on the contract? 

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the names are mine and the other subletors, Mr X -who is out of job since November he said, and Ms Y. the house has 3 bedrooms and a living

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15 minutes ago, popjoe said:

the names are mine and the other subletors, Mr X -who is out of job since November he said, and Ms Y. the house has 3 bedrooms and a living

 

You mean these people are on the original contract? Not a subletting contract? So there are three names on the original contract if I understand you correctly?

 

Because you said that you are subletting to someone else, but you didn’t make a contract with him? 

 

So is that 3,700 split between the 3 of you? 

 

It would be wise if you got a lawyer between the 3 of you. That money will need to be paid back and it sounds like you guys can’t pay it back. It will go back and forth with lawyers and all the while the future rent won’t be paid, I assume, meaning more to pay back. 

 

Your unemployed friend should see about unemployment, depending on his residency status. 

 

Talk to the Mieterverein or a lawyer. Something tells me you can’t be kicked out on that date, but I am not a lawyer. Regardless, you need to pay that money back. 

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According to this website: https://mieterengel.de/abmahnung/

 

Auch, wenn die Abmahnung noch keine Kündigung ist, sollten Mieter die Abmahnung unbedingt ernst nehmen. Insbesondere, wenn der Vermieter im Abmahnungsschreiben mit Kündigung droht, kann bei erneutem Fehlverhalten tatsächlich eine fristlose Kündigung folgen. Einer fristlosen Kündigung muss nämlich in der Regel mindestens eine Abmahnung vorausgehen. Je mehr Abmahnungen ein Mieter erhält, desto höher ist auch sein Risiko, bald eine fristlose Kündigung im Briefkasten zu finden.

 

He sent a previous letter on June 4th. Why was that ignored? 

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4 minutes ago, klingklang77 said:

 

You mean these people are on the original contract? Not a subletting contract? So there are three names on the original contract if I understand you correctly?

 

Because you said that you are subletting to someone else, but you didn’t make a contract with him? 

 

So is that 3,700 split between the 3 of you? 

 

It would be wise if you got a lawyer between the 3 of you. That money will need to be paid back and it sounds like you guys can’t pay it back. It will go back and forth with lawyers and all the while the future rent won’t be paid, I assume, meaning more to pay back. 

 

Your unemployed friend should see about unemployment, depending on his residency status. 

 

Talk to the Mieterverein or a lawyer. Something tells me you can’t be kicked out on that date, but I am not a lawyer. Regardless, you need to pay that money back. 

 

4 minutes ago, klingklang77 said:

Well, most of the building tenants are students that failed to get a room at the campus. Our flat has three contracts, each individual tenant is renting a room; bedroom, the other units, livingroom, bathroom, toilet, kitchen, storage, are shared amongst us. Each one of us has to pay rent directly with his name mentionned on the description section of the payment bill, to the beneficienary bank account of UIS. 

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2 minutes ago, klingklang77 said:

According to this website:  https://mieterengel.de/abmaahrung/

 

Even if the warning is not a termination, tenants should take the warning seriously. In particular, if the landlord threatens to give notice in the warning letter, renewed misconduct can actually result in termination without notice. A termination without notice must usually be preceded by at least one warning. The more warnings a tenant receives, the higher the risk of finding immediate termination in the mailbox soon.

 

He sent a previous letter on June 4th. Why was that ignored? 

I wasnt informed, I was supposed to be back to my room at July 3rd. 

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Oh, it’s a WG contract. Well if you pay your part now, then I think you could probably stay? I don’t know. You have no contract with your sub letter, so there’s nothing that can be done there. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, popjoe said:

I wasnt informed, I was supposed to be back to my room at July 3rd. 

 

What do you mean you weren’t informed? Was the letter dropped Einschreiben? If you have three separate contracts, you should have each gotten a letter. It doesn’t matter if you weren’t there. 

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1 minute ago, klingklang77 said:

 

What do you mean you weren't informed? What is the letter dropped registered mail? If you have three separate contracts, you should have each gotten a letter. It doesn't matter if you weren't there. 

well the letter that was received was destined to the three of us Mr. X- Ms. Y and me. Ms Y isnt in this conundrum, becaue she paid all her bills.

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6 minutes ago, popjoe said:

well the letter that was received was destined to the three of us Mr. X- Ms. Y and me. Ms Y isnt in this conundrum, becaue she paid all her bills.

 

Talk to the Mieterverein. I’m not sure about your rental contract, but it sounds like you should have each received a letter if you do have three separate contracts. But if you all signed on one contract, then Ms. Y shouldn’t have to leave. You and Mr. X, however, owe money. 

 

I’m not a lawyer, but if he sent it to all three of you and you have individual contracts, then that could mean something. Mieterverein. 

 

 

https://www.mietrecht.com/wg/#das-mietrecht-zur-wg-der-mietvertrag-fuer-die-wohngemeinschaft

 

 

Alle WG-Bewohner sind Hauptmieter:

Eine weitere Variante ist der Abschluss eines einzigen Mietvertrags mit dem Eigentümer, den alle WG-Mitglieder als gleichberechtigte Hauptmieter gemeinsam unterschreiben.

Für die Mitbewohner hat diese Vertragsform den Vorteil, dass alle die gleichen Rechte an der Wohnung haben und keiner dem anderen eine Kündigung aussprechen kann.

Allerdings bedeutet dies auch, dass die gesamte WG eine gesamtschuldnerische Haftung eingeht. Das heißt: Gerät eines der Mitglieder mit der Miete in Zahlungsrückstand, kann der Vermieter die Schulden von jedem beliebigen Mitbewohner einfordern.

 

Separate Verträge für alle WG-Mitglieder:

Es kann auch mit jedem WG-Bewohner ein eigener Mietvertrag geschlossen werden.

Eine dritte Möglichkeit besteht darin, dass jeder WG-Mitbewohner einen eigenen Vertrag mit dem Vermieter abschließt. Dieser kann das Nutzungsrecht für das eigene WG-Zimmer und die gemeinsamen Räume wie Bad, Küche und ggf. Wohnzimmer beinhalten.

Diese Variante hat den Vorteil, dass die Bewohner eigenständig ein- und ausziehenkönnen, ohne den Rest der WG um Erlaubnis fragen zu müssen.

Allerdings können sich bei dieser Form des Mietvertrags die WG-Mitglieder ihre Mitbewohner nicht selbst aussuchen, da es allein im Ermessen des Vermieters liegt, mit wem er ein Mietverhältnis abschließt. Zudem erhöht sich für den Vermieter der Verwaltungsaufwand.

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Even though you say you have 3 contracts, it certainly seems that he's making all of you responsible.  This is of course unfair to Ms. Y who has been paying.  I don't think he can make you all responsible and kick you all out when each of you have separate contracts.

 

As for whether they can kick you out without a court order, the answer is no.  If you don't leave, they will have to take you to court.  This will not make it less expensive for you.  You should talk to the mieterverein to figure out if the mahnung your landlord sent is valid because he sent it to all of you and made you all responsible when you all have separate contracts.  Also talk to the landlord about trying to pay off your portion of the debt in installments as you can.  It will probably be less expensive for the landlord to let you pay and keep you as tenants rather than go to court to kick you out.  You just have to convince the landlord that you will not get behind on rent again.

 

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13 hours ago, LeonG said:

Even though you say you have 3 contracts, it certainly seems that he's making all of you responsible. This is of course unfair to Ms. Y who has been paying. I don't think he can make you all responsible and kick you all out when each of you have separate contracts.

 

As for whether they can kick you out without a court order, the answer is no. If you don't leave, they will have to take you to court. This will not make it less expensive for you. You should talk to the mieterverein to figure out if the mahnung your landlord sent is valid because he sent it to all of you and made you all responsible when you all have separate contracts. Also talk to the landlord about trying to pay off your portion of the debt in installments as you can. It will probably be less expensive for the landlord to let you pay and keep you as tenants rather than go to court to kick you out. You just have to convince the landlord that you will not get behind on rent again.

 

Thanks for the insight, I have sent an email and booked an appointment with the mieterverein office in Freiberg, hopefully there will be some good news, meanwhile, the person responsible for our building wasnt at the office today, the told me to comeback Monday to meet with him and clarify everything! 

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