Intra-EU flight hijacked in Belarus

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32 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

 

Honest question: despite the illegal diversion of the flight, is it legal to board the airplane and arrest someone without international warrant, if not flight rule was broken? Is that Belarus soil?

Yes, it is legal. The airport falls under the sovereignty of the country unless there is some international agreement in place, such as Basel airport. It is located physically in France, however there is a Swiss terminal there which you can reach without legally crossing the border, Swiss police/customs also operates there.

 

Another case from before the pandemic: an Israeli woman was flying from India, got some weed in her luggage. Transfer via Moscow airport, not leaving the airport transit zone, the passenger had also no access to the luggage.

 

Despite this arrest and criminal charges for illegal drug trafficking. Legal in view of international law. The charges of trafficking were absurd by western standards, but were a totally normal practice in this country, so leagl.

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This whole episode is very, very chilling.  I feel awful for the young man and his girlfriend.  We were in Armenia in Sept-Oct when the war broke out and our Austrian Air flight back through Vienna kept getting cancelled.  Finally AA put us all on a Belavia flight to Minsk where we spent several hours in a tiny retro terminal (felt like being back in the 60s kinda) before heading on to Warsaw and Zurich.  At the time we were eager to get back home, and the Minsk stop seemed a bit charming, but not so much anymore.  😕

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19 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

 

Honest question: despite the illegal diversion of the flight, is it legal to board the airplane and arrest someone without international warrant, if not flight rule was broken? Is that Belarus soil?

 

Its a bit like what happened to many people in the UK in the 1980's

 

A police car would stop on a made up reason, like Sir, I could see your brake light flash several times, did you know about it ?

 

and used that excuse, to start a conversation with the driver, then the police guy would get the opportunity, to smell the drivers breath for alcohol, and challenge the driver about it.

 

In this case  Belarus said they thought there was a bomb on board, that was the excuse to stop the plane, like the brake light flashing, then they noticed a guy on the plane they wanted to talk to. Of course they knew he was on the plane and it was just an excuse.

 

So while it probably was illegal, it was just away to get to the guy, they wanted

 

 

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14 hours ago, yesterday said:

In this case  Belarus said they thought there was a bomb on board,

How is that a reason to intercept them by fighter jets? I´d think a radio message to the pilot should have sufficed in such a case

 

I wonder what avoiding Belarusian air space is supposed to be doing to Lukaschenko. Why would he care? It´s not as if he´d miss out on some toll fees for using Belarusian air space, is it?

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1 hour ago, jeba said:

How is that a reason to intercept them by fighter jets? I´d think a radio message to the pilot should have sufficed in such a case

Actually I believe that may be standard procedure, certainly I recall reports from the UK of RAF fighter jets escorting passenger planes where a bomb or other security problem had been reported.

 

1 hour ago, jeba said:

I wonder what avoiding Belarusian air space is supposed to be doing to Lukaschenko. Why would he care? It´s not as if he´d miss out on some toll fees for using Belarusian air space, is it?

I presume that is for the protection of passengers to insure the hijack can not be repeated. The banning of flights to and from Belarus will hopefully cause some pain and pressure.

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On 26/05/2021, 11:18:09, keith2011 said:

I presume that is for the protection of passengers to insure the hijack can not be repeated. The banning of flights to and from Belarus will hopefully cause some pain and pressure.

 

So it's not closing the stable door after the horse is bolted political posturing then? "We have ensured all flights are re-routed around Belarusian airspace to protect our citizens and keep them safe" may sound impressive, but after pulling this stunt once is it really likely that Lukaschenko is going to play the exact same hand again?

 

Apparently on RT they were praising the capture of Protasevich as a "beautiful operation", not even trying to bring any credibility to the bomb hoax.

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1 hour ago, Mackle said:

but after pulling this stunt once is it really likely that Lukaschenko is going to play the exact same hand again?

Why not, if it worked once why won't it work again if dissidents were still on flights using Belarus airspace?

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11 hours ago, keith2011 said:

Why not, if it worked once why won't it work again if dissidents were still on flights using Belarus airspace?

I don't think he cares and he never will unless he faces consequences of some kind. 

 

Is that going to happen though? 

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6 hours ago, yesterday said:

Seems like Russia is blocking some European airlines from flying over Russia

 

I feared this, it will further damage the climate of earth

I've tried to avoid flying anywhere near the region since the plane was shot down over Ukraine. 

 

Had the option of a few gigs back then more east but turned them down. 

Not been much of a problem the last year or so though. 

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7 hours ago, yesterday said:

Seems like Russia is blocking some European airlines from flying over Russia

According to what I remember reading all airlines which are avoiding Belarusian airspace. Which is probably all EU airlines.

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21 minutes ago, jeba said:

According to what I remember reading all airlines which are avoiding Belarusian airspace. Which is probably all EU airlines.

Just reading on NZZ that russia denies banning fairlines from using Russian airspace. Presumably it´s merely a matter of approvals taking longer due to heavy workload.

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I have been told on this forum that once the Nordstream II pipeline is completed and Germany and other EU countries are even more dependent on Russian energy, the EU will be just as bold as it is now toward Russian aggression.

 

Actually, that assertion is true as measures seem to be have been limited to voicing "deep concerns" which seems like the secular version of offering "thoughts and prayers".   

 

The Biden Administration dropped the threat of sanctions on Germans (including former Stasi officer and current Managing Director of the venture, Matthias Warnig) and German companies involved with the pipeline just a couple of weeks ago.      

 

Brilliant.   🤪

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On 5/29/2021, 9:50:46, balticus said:

I have been told on this forum that once the Nordstream II pipeline is completed and Germany and other EU countries are even more dependent on Russian energy, the EU will be just as bold as it is now toward Russian aggression.

 

NS does not make Germany more dependent on Russian gas, the goal is to receive it without transit via Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, while amount might be the same. These countries Russia can attack (in particular Ukraine) without a fear that its deliveries to Germany will be affected.

 

This is the whole point, European solidarity made in Germany.  

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1 hour ago, yourkeau said:

NS does not make Germany more dependent on Russian gas, the goal is to receive it without transit via Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, while amount might be the same. These countries Russia can attack (in particular Ukraine) without a fear that its deliveries to Germany will be affected.

 

This is the whole point, European solidarity made in Germany.  

 

Had Germany taken the resources and built LNG facilities instead, it would have allowed more options for gas suppliers in case Russia would become unreliable or geopolitically untenable.   Poland, for example, chose to expand its LNG facility in Swinoujscie.   

 

 

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On 5/30/2021, 2:10:34, balticus said:

 

Had Germany taken the resources and built LNG facilities instead, it would have allowed more options for gas suppliers in case Russia would become unreliable or geopolitically untenable.   Poland, for example, chose to expand its LNG facility in Swinoujscie.   

 

 

Current Energiewende policy means that the German government can only invest money into renewable energies. Unfortunately. 

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