Got my first Pfizer shot, shocked by German vaccination certificate standard

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I have a few specialists who will not give me prescriptions while I'm sitting there. They tell me to go to my GP. My GP seems to have a lot of leeway as far as prescriptions and referrals for radiology, etc. are concerned. As he wrote an ÜW for another MRI the other week he told me I should get my own machine.:lol:

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1 hour ago, LeonG said:

 

I just go to the specialist for the blood test.  Cut out the middle man.  I also negotiiated with the specialist to give me the new prescription before they get the result or if they really want to see the result, then to mail me the prescription so I don't have to go twice.  The doctor was fine with it, the assistants always gave me lip.  I often had to tell them to ask the doc, he said it's ok.  Eventually I asked the doc to make a note of it in the computer so they can see it when they enter my name.

 

I think the way it works is that because the Hausarzt is responsible for my general health it's up to him to check that the drugs aren't killing me, whereas the specialist is respsonsible for making sure the drugs are being effective in stopping my immune system from killing me. It was the same in the UK.

 

I only found out the specialist needed my results when I went to collect the 3rd or 4th prescription. They let me have that one, so it's never been an issue. Just a little annoying that both can't just use a computer system.

 

 

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Isn't Sweden the first world country where the gave elderly Covid patients morphin to let them die instead of bringing them to a ICU and apply oxygen?

I prefer to live in a county where they have yellow paper booklets and would send me to an ICU and not put me to sleep should I get sick at an age over 65. Howver, you we get a nice hologram on your coffin. Machine readable.

(e.g. https://arichlife.com.au/did-sweden-euthanize-covid-positive-aged-care-residents/,  google will give you more articles)

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Early on something similar happened in the UK.  Calls into enquiry into NHS 111 training are being resisted by Government.

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6 minutes ago, snowingagain said:

Early on something similar happened in the UK.  Calls into enquiry into NHS 111 training are being resisted by Government.

Curious to know how NHS 111 operatives were able to euthanize callers with covid symptoms???

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3 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

Curious to know how NHS 111 operatives were able to euthanize callers with covid symptoms???

 

Ha.  No, they advised people not to go to hospital, that their symptoms were not severe enough.  So, a lot of people arrived too late.  People in nursing homes also discouraged.   Amnesty are chasing this.  These were people who were not that ill, but their relatives say did not see a doctor (many GPs were only doing phone consultations).  But died a few weeks later, symptoms made less gruesome with help of morphine.

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On 30/04/2021, 10:44:33, keith2011 said:

Curious to know how NHS 111 operatives were able to euthanize callers with covid symptoms???

 

Passivity? Negligence? Poor advice? It's a fine line the inexperienced had to walk in the dark whilst under pressure.

Incidentally, the Hippocratic Oath also stipulates "First do no harm." This is so often omitted / ignored. And hindsight is a wonderful thing.

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On 4/29/2021, 12:52:22, LeonG said:

 

Anti-vaxxers who still want to travel?

Btw, this was the reason for the smallpox outbreak in Wroclaw, Poland, in 1963. And antivaxxer wanted to travel to India and fake the certificate. Unfortunately, the asshole did not die, but caused a major epidemic in the city. The authorities closed it and forced everyone to get the vaccine. This was the last major case of smallpox in Europe. 

 

On 4/29/2021, 9:46:24, AnswerToLife42 said:

Isn't Sweden the first world country where the gave elderly Covid patients morphin to let them die instead of bringing them to a ICU and apply oxygen?

I prefer to live in a county where they have yellow paper booklets and would send me to an ICU and not put me to sleep should I get sick at an age over 65. Howver, you we get a nice hologram on your coffin. Machine readable.

(e.g. https://arichlife.com.au/did-sweden-euthanize-covid-positive-aged-care-residents/,  google will give you more articles)

In Germany you can refuse ICU just like in Sweden (by signing Patientenverfügung). 

 

In Israel you cannot. But you get to be vaccinated here which in antivaxx Germany there will never be more rights for vaccinated than for antivaxxer, because it is forbidden to discriminate on the basis of sex, race, age, and stupidity.

 

Choose your fighter.

 

 

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Popping in to voice a view from the States (while I wait impatientlly to return to DE).  Here we only get 3x5 white cards with brief innformation about ourselves written on the lines to confirm that we had 1,2, 3... vaccines.  The same card is used for all type of covid vaccines here.  All, except Pfizer BionTech, provide stickers for these cards which verify the bottle number.

I was told that Pfizer does not provide stickers because 15 doses can come from one bottle. Pfizer does not provide 15 stickers per bottle.

When I questioned the authorities at the vaccine center, they told me they log in every vaccine online  and that I should go to the website, pull up my chart, and show that documentation to anyone who needs such knowledge.

Saying that, there are some places in Europe testing an app called Common Passport which allows you to log in your info that you uploaded from your Apple health app. Of course you  must first upload the info from your vaccine center to the Apple health app.  

In  the States, the Common Passport app is only being tested by a couple airlines.

However, it is easy to upload your vaccine center's immunization record to this Apple health app; your center must be participating though.

The whole procedure will certainly bewilder those who are not tech proficient and, if required for flying, will anger many travelers.

 

MY POINT:  you vaccine card is not the only document you can use to prove you are vaccinated. There are official online records. These same online records can prove that you are also Covid negative.

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6 hours ago, Jana A said:

All, except Pfizer BionTech, provide stickers for these cards which verify the bottle number.

I was told that Pfizer does not provide stickers because 15 doses can come from one bottle. Pfizer does not provide 15 stickers per bottle.

 

The stickers here are on each needle. Doctor gives you the empty needle casing with the batch sticker on it. There is a code on the sticker.

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I got Pfizer and I got a sticker in my impfpass.  It says "COMIRNATY" which is apparently the official name of the Pfizer vaccine and underneath the name, there is a number.

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3 hours ago, LeonG said:

I got Pfizer and I got a sticker in my impfpass.  It says "COMIRNATY" which is apparently the official name of the Pfizer vaccine and underneath the name, there is a number.

 

Will an impfpass be given if a person doesn't have one? 

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Yes. I didn't have an Imfpass so just took the info from my vaccination to my GP and got my first one. No problem. They told me I could also get a Pass from any pharmacy.

 

After reading Keleth's post, allow me to add that mine was in Munich. Different rules for different places.

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57 minutes ago, vivanco said:

 

Will an impfpass be given if a person doesn't have one? 

Cost me the grand sum of 1 euro from hausarzt.Brought one from them because it did say when I booked a termin at impfzentrum to bring one with me.

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2 hours ago, vivanco said:

 

Will an impfpass be given if a person doesn't have one? 

I apparently had the wrong one. My Hausarzt gave me the non WHO version of the impfpass and I didn't really notice. They simply gave me a new one at the impfzentrum. They have a stack of them. 

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3 hours ago, vivanco said:

 

Will an impfpass be given if a person doesn't have one? 

 

I don't know because I had mine with me.  My letter said to bring one if you have it so I don't think it's a big deal.  Either they'll give you one or they'll give you the sticker.

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1 hour ago, Narjiz said:

I apparently had the wrong one. My Hausarzt gave me the non WHO version of the impfpass and I didn't really notice. They simply gave me a new one at the impfzentrum. They have a stack of them. 

 

Where are you located? They didn't have them at the Impfzentrum in Munich.

 

Just making sure the information here isn't incorrect or confusing for some.

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1 minute ago, fraufruit said:

 

Where are you located? They didn't have them at the Impfzentrum in Munich.

 

Just making sure the information here isn't incorrect or confusing for some.

Ah sorry, it was the Frankfurt impfzentrum

 

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1 hour ago, LeonG said:

 

I don't know because I had mine with me.  My letter said to bring one if you have it so I don't think it's a big deal.  Either they'll give you one or they'll give you the sticker.

They give you a bit of paper with the same info as would be on an Impfpass.  They told me to go to my Hausarzt and get one, and the details would be entered, and to bring it with me for my second appointment.

 

They also gave me a paper with details of my vaccination with QR code linking to database.

 

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@vivanco When I went for my vaccination, I deliberately left my yellow Imfpass at home.

 

Why? I don't want all and sundry seeing my complete medical history of non-COVID labels already logged in the pass, in case I need to show it in a shop / restaurant / cinema / airport / train etc.

 

Besides any of which, it is more cumbersome for the handler you are showing it to, to endlessly flip through already filled other pages JUST to find the COVID entry amongst a sea of other vaccination type labels.

 

They issued me a fresh yellow Impfpass at the IZ, which ONLY contains the COVID labels. 

 

As I'm likely to be having my yellow COVID Impfpass on my person all the time over the next year, it means if I lose it (and I probably will - I've lost keys, travel tickets, you name it in the past) I don't lose ALL my other Impf details along with it, as they are recurded in my separate "main" Impfpass.

 

Probably when COVID is behind us, I'll ask a doctor to transfer/merge the 2 yellow Impfpasses together.

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