Got my first Pfizer shot, shocked by German vaccination certificate standard

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I got my first dose of Pfizer vaccine this morning at my Hausarzt praxis. I asked whether I can get it documented. What I got is a 1950-style yellow booklet, which was only filled with my name, no other id details, and on one of the pages one line in handwriting showing a date , a cross in column for COVID19  and signature of the doc with a "rubber stamp" ( of questionable visibility) and with a sticker that only has some text on it. I asked if they have something more "secure" perhaps electronic , the doctor just smiled and said that in terms of electronic certificate Germany is behind Romania (his words not mine) 

My parentsgot vaccinated in Sweden last month, also with Pfizer, and I have seen the stickers they got: secured with hologram and 3D bar code. and they were able to scan the code to their electronic vaccination card called "mittvaccin" which was than verified electronically by the lab who gave them the stab

So I wonder: will this yellow booklet I got, be recognized at all when traveling abroad? There is no id-details except the name, the vaccine is not identified by secure means plus there are probably other issues 

  

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AFAIK the yellow passports are still the official WHO approved ones. Don´t forget that even a doctor in an African village has to be able to make entries.

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YOU can write your address, DoB, place of birth, Passport number, ID card number on the cover.

Take a photocopy or scan it and keep in a safe place. (Hide it on the internet/cloud somewhere)

 

Ah Sweden eh...

 

1992 as I was a humble programmer for a now defunct medical software place,

I attended a conference and met a Swede lecturing about their national medical ID card

with centralised records. He started his (very interesting) talk with : 
"I don't know why they asked me to talk about this here in Germany,

With your data protection laws you'll never be able to implement something as useful as this ! "

 

How right he was...

:ph34r:

 

 

PS Swiss colleague has a certified vaccine app on the smart phone.

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And the Swiss are going 3-4weeks btwn shots instead of 5-6 like here.  And they are giving them in tents and on ships and other such places.  They are practical.

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1 minute ago, BethAnnBitt said:

And they are giving them in tents and on ships and other such places. 

 

Ah yes, the famous Swiss Navy

B)

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2 minutes ago, BethAnnBitt said:

And the Swiss are going 3-4weeks btwn shots instead of 5-6 like here.  And they are giving them in tents and on ships and other such places.  They are practical.

indeed, I believe 3-4 weeks are recommended by Pfizer but the German practice seem to be 6-7 or even more weeks. My parents got this 3 week apart, they are in Stockholm but I read even in Sweden they are making longer intervals now due to shortage of vaccines after Astra-Zenecca went sour.

But hey, a possible way around it: tell your doctor you will be abroad for several months and need to take second jab earlier :-)

 

Otherwise Swiss don't impress with speed of vaccination, out of curiosity I follow vaccination progress in different countries. CH is behind Germany.  But  as HH_Sailor says: they issue electronic apps for this and also electronic certificates with a unique code as a pdf 

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1 hour ago, jeba said:

 Don´t forget that even a doctor in an African village has to be able to make entries.

hehe, so this is as per rule-of-the-slowest-buffalo-in-the-herd? ( you know, the herd of buffaloes only moves as fast as the slowest buffalo among them. When the wolfs catch the slowest one, the herd is able to go faster )

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27 minutes ago, aeroplane said:

But hey, a possible way around it: tell your doctor you will be abroad for several months and need to take second jab earlier :-)

 

And then hope you don't need to see her/him for several months. :D

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Ah Sweden. The country where there was no need to have cash 15 years ago. In Germany not every place accepts credit cards.

 

German medical system is in stone age. Two times I have been to German hospital, and both time the only way to transfer data from the hospital to the Hausarzt was by paper mail. When I was leaving the hospital in Garmisch in 2017, the doctor said: "Oh, you are leaving? Let's do a final blood test for the record!" He did the blood test, I left the hospital and never saw the results.

 

In one year I returned to Israel, and gave the doctors my papers from the German hospital. He scanned them, and they are still in the system. I visit any doctor in the country, and they can retrieve them and read. Any blood test I do is automatically in the system, results read by the doctor.

 

Everything forbidden in Germany due to Datenschutz, Privatsphere etc.

 

To the topic. Israel has introduced so called "green passport" I can show to any establishment which has no access to my medical data (e.g., a restaurant, a museum etc).

 

The first version was a security disaster, it is a PDF in Hebrew and English with easily forgeable QR code.

 

The second version is a "secure" app, entirely in Hebrew, with some animation so that you cannot photoshop a screenshot. Still does not look secure to me.

 

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26 minutes ago, yourkeau said:

German medical system is in stone age. Two times I have been to German hospital, and both time the only way to transfer data from the hospital to the Hausarzt was by paper mail. When I was leaving the hospital in Garmisch in 2017, the doctor said: "Oh, you are leaving? Let's do a final blood test for the record!" He did the blood test, I left the hospital and never saw the results.

 

You are completely wrong about all of this. Things are much more modernized now. When I have a consultation or treatment anywhere, it is on my GP's computer immediately. No more schlepping around paper reports like before. I had a CT scan a couple of months ago at a radiology that I had never been to before. The radiologist called me in to give me my results and stated "You still have the so and so on your so and so that was found on an abdominal MRT in 2017. He had that information at his fingertips.

 

I can also access all of my medical information including all radiology pictures and reports, blood work on my computer at home whenever needed.

 

Perhaps you have been away too long.

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45 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

 

You are completely wrong about all of this. Things are much more modernized now.

 

You are correct. some have even upgraded to fax machines! 

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3 hours ago, HH_Sailor said:

Ah yes, the famous Swiss Navy B)

Don't underestimate the capabilities of the Swiss: if they have to, they build an air carrier in Lake Geneva protected by 2 submarines 👻.

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3 hours ago, aeroplane said:

Otherwise Swiss don't impress with speed of vaccination, out of curiosity I follow vaccination progress in different countries. CH is behind Germany.  

In Thurgau they have done a much better job than here in BW.  My Swiss neighbors, who are double insured, finally gave up here and went across the border to do it.  According to this data 🇨🇭has fully vaccinated 9.9% of its population compared to 7.3% in 🇩🇪. 

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/26/covid-19-vaccinations-in-europe-which-countries-are-leading-the-way

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1 hour ago, fraufruit said:

 

You are completely wrong about all of this. Things are much more modernized now. When I have a consultation or treatment anywhere, it is on my GP's computer immediately. No more schlepping around paper reports like before. I had a CT scan a couple of months ago at a radiology that I had never been to before. The radiologist called me in to give me my results and stated "You still have the so and so on your so and so that was found on an abdominal MRT in 2017. He had that information at his fingertips.

 

I can also access all of my medical information including all radiology pictures and reports, blood work on my computer at home whenever needed.

 

Perhaps you have been away too long.

Good to know that it is much better now. Yes, my last visit to a German doctor was in February 2018. 

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25 minutes ago, LukeSkywalker said:

Don't underestimate the capabilities of the Swiss: if they have to, they build an air carrier in Lake Geneva protected by 2 submarines 👻.

 

I'm sure it'd have lifebelts made of purest gold

(from those pesky secret banks) 

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1 hour ago, fraufruit said:

 

You are completely wrong about all of this. Things are much more modernized now. When I have a consultation or treatment anywhere, it is on my GP's computer immediately. No more schlepping around paper reports like before. I had a CT scan a couple of months ago at a radiology that I had never been to before. The radiologist called me in to give me my results and stated "You still have the so and so on your so and so that was found on an abdominal MRT in 2017. He had that information at his fingertips.

 

I can also access all of my medical information including all radiology pictures and reports, blood work on my computer at home whenever needed.

 

Wow

Just wow !!

 

Finally something from Bavaria that truly leads Germany!!

 

Had 3 different docs here in DE (Hamburg and SH) and none had such stuff.

MRTs were handed to me on paper (lately with a disc).

Handed in to my Dr they were scanned in or he read it from the disc.

Any specialists gave me their paper reports to pass on...

 

No way to read my data from home.

Do you have a card reader or a dongle ?

How do you prevent someone else reading your data ??

 

Of course I can read the disc at home locally and also my Dr can supply me with the data

to check  and archive at home. No way I can get to his servers...

 

Now I'm curious !!

 

PS 

last visit 2020

 

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Stone Age here too.  No bloodwork or records of visits are digitally available.  I have a folder to keep the papers.  And my husband has to bring the CD with X-rays each time he visits the specialist who needs to see them.  

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The link I can use at home is a patientensportal. Then I have a code and Patient ID etc. to enter. They mention that part of the advantage is Umweltschutz - no paper or CD's. My doctors also have access. 

 

I don't have any paranoia about others outside of my doctors reading my data. I don't think it's possible and why would I care? I'm retired and not job hunting.

 

Just a few years ago, they would mail written results to my doc or ask me to deliver them.  Now it is all online. I do request written results for certain things that I want to keep in my medical files for reference. 

57 minutes ago, HH_Sailor said:

Do you have a card reader or a dongle ?

 

How dare you? 

 

JK, have a card reader but don't need it for this. As for my dongle.... 

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1 hour ago, fraufruit said:

The link I can use at home is a patientensportal. Then I have a code and Patient ID etc. to enter. They mention that part of the advantage is Umweltschutz - no paper or CD's. My doctors also have access. 

Exactly what I have at my US doctor.  Works great.  You also don’t need to call them every time you want to know something from your records, as it’s all there.

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