President Joseph R Biden Jr. 46th President of the United States

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1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

Maybe not, I have never been there but try Norway, Denmark and more than a few Poles.

But Norway and Denmark were neutral until they were actually invaded by the axis.

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3 minutes ago, john g. said:

( At the risk of being off topic..😂 .. love is never off topic..

Sure you could say that about TRUMP, but only love for himself

3 minutes ago, john g. said:

 

it is the only topic that counts in life..👍🏼.. ouch )..

Maybe BIDEn will go that way, only time will tell

3 minutes ago, john g. said:

 

Are we now near enough back on topic

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Love should not be narcissist. It is ( or should be ) all-embracing. All of us.

Not on topic but tired anyway!😂

Sleep tight!

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3 hours ago, cb6dba said:

From what I remember (could be wrong) Churchill was a bit of a warmonger.

at the end of WWII he wanted to push the Russians back.

 

And in that specific instance, Churchill‘s warmongering was exactly the correct strategy.  Roosevelt‘s befuddled acquiescence to Stalin (over Churchill’s strong objections) at Potsdam led directly to the Iron Curtain and the Cold War.

 

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25 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

 

And in that specific instance, Churchill‘s warmongering was exactly the correct strategy.  Roosevelt‘s befuddled acquiescence to Stalin (over Churchill’s strong objections) at Potsdam led directly to the Iron Curtain and the Cold War.

 

Cold war was better than another war in Europe. In fact, nuclear stalemate was one of the best things in the second half of the XX century.

 

 

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1 hour ago, keith2011 said:

Yes it was a failed attempt to make a decissive attack on the Otoman Empire and like many such WW1 battles the loss of life was horendous. It like other such battles suffered from poor communications and mobility and pitted men with only a riffle against machine guns and artillery, the generlals and leaders got the blame but they just did not have the technology to counter a dug in defense, the whole of WW1 was a European  wide disaster!

If it was a failure, not so sure, I guess it would depend on what we use as criteria for success.

 

When we did this in history, we were told that the Turks were about to surrender. We just left first which was about the best decision that could have been made a the time.

The battle probably took up a lot of resources for the Ottoman's but then again, also from our side.

it was not the last time soldiers were sent out in stupid attacks. There is even a report of Polish cavalry being ordered to charge German tanks, in WWII...

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2 minutes ago, cb6dba said:


There is even a report of Polish cavalry being ordered to charge German tanks, in WWII...

 

That never happened.  Polish cavalry charged German infantry, and it was actually a success.  Nazi propaganda claimed the Poles charged tanks.

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30 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

 

And in that specific instance, Churchill‘s warmongering was exactly the correct strategy.  Roosevelt‘s befuddled acquiescence to Stalin (over Churchill’s strong objections) at Potsdam led directly to the Iron Curtain and the Cold War.

 

Not so sure any attempt to push the Russians back would have been much of a benefit. They had rolled through eastern Europe through some major battle hardened German troops.

I'm not sure we (the UK) were in a position to even support that with the resources that would have been needed. Without the Americans most certainly not.

If the Americans had joined in, that could have lead to the Americans having to take troops away from the pacific region reducing the pressure on japan, maybe also took Russian pressure away from Japan as well.

 

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5 minutes ago, cb6dba said:

Not so sure any attempt to push the Russians back would have been much of a benefit. They had rolled through eastern Europe through some major battle hardened German troops.

I'm not sure we (the UK) were in a position to even support that with the resources that would have been needed. Without the Americans most certainly not.

If the Americans had joined in, that could have lead to the Americans having to take troops away from the pacific region reducing the pressure on japan, maybe also took Russian pressure away from Japan as well.

 

 

All this should probably be discussed in a different thread (if at all :) ).

 

By the way, I meant Yalta, not Potsdam.  Sorry for the error.

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2 hours ago, murphaph said:

But Norway and Denmark were neutral until they were actually invaded by the axis.

WTF has that got to do with it, other than most likely a foretaste of the ROIs fate had Britain fallen.

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3 minutes ago, john g. said:

 

Riveting journalism.     It is surprising how quickly the press has been castrated.   Get ready for a lot of softballs and no real criticism of policy choices (outside of blaming past administrations).  for the next four years.   🤮

 

Here are some topics which seem not to be relevant in the daily press briefing and to be honest, (3) and (4) are serious policy issues, while the others are just the type of blatant hypocrisy which sent the press into convulsions over the past 4 years.  

 

1. 2 hours after signing an Executive Order requiring masks on federal property, Biden and his family took photos at the Lincoln Memorial without masks in direct violation of the EO.

 

2. There are still 20k troops in DC.   They were found to be quartered in a parking garage.  

 

3. The termination of permits for the Keystone pipeline will cost tens of thousands of jobs and force the US to be involved in the middle east.

 

4. US troops crossed into NE Syria from Iraq on Thursday. 

 

5. After months of politicizing the COVID response, the abrupt change in narrative without much pushback is pretty shocking.    Get accustomed to four years of questions about his choice of tie color and such.  

 

For what it is worth, i believe he is telling the truth that the virus will do what it does.   Outside of isolating the vulnerable, there is not much that can be done.   

 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Keleth said:

Well,you seem quite happy for them to steal someone elses cake and eat it.


I wouldn´t call building a pipeline you have a permit for stealing. If you contest the legality of the permit you could as well claim that the whole of the US is occupied illegally by settlers and stolen from native Americans.

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6 minutes ago, jeba said:


I wouldn´t call building a pipeline you have a permit for stealing. 

As I said look at the eminent domain purchases then see what I mean by stealing.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, jeba said:

If you contest the legality of the permit you could as well claim that the whole of the US is occupied illegally by settlers and stolen from native Americans.

It`s not ?

On a serious note it is but not a lot modern day society can do about it,but there again I suppose leaving their sacred grounds alone instead of building a pipeline on them would be a start.

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4 minutes ago, Keleth said:

It`s not ?

On a serious note it is but not a lot modern day society can do about it,but there again I suppose leaving their sacred grounds alone instead of building a pipeline on them would be a start.

And keep on transporting oil by trucks and rail? Or switch off electricty?

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9 hours ago, keith2011 said:

WTF has that got to do with it, other than most likely a foretaste of the ROIs fate had Britain fallen.

12 hours ago, keith2011 said:

 

Meh, a return to exploitation at the hands of Germany instead of Britain. The British exploitation of Ireland did last almost a thousand years though, unlike the third Reich lol.

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Amanda Gorman's poem "The Hill We Climb"

 

(Read by Ms Gorman, the nation's first-ever youth poet laureate, during the inauguration of President Joe Biden.)

 

When day comes we ask ourselves,

where can we find light in this never-ending shade?

The loss we carry,

a sea we must wade

We've braved the belly of the beast

We've learned that quiet isn't always peace

And the norms and notions

of what just is

Isn't always just-ice

 

And yet the dawn is ours

before we knew it

Somehow we do it

Somehow we've weathered and witnessed

a nation that isn't broken

but simply unfinished

 

We the successors of a country and a time

Where a skinny Black girl

descended from slaves and raised by a single mother

can dream of becoming president

only to find herself reciting for one

 

And yes we are far from polished

far from pristine

but that doesn't mean we are

striving to form a union that is perfect

We are striving to forge a union with purpose

To compose a country committed to all cultures, colors, characters and

conditions of man

 

And so we lift our gazes not to what stands between us

but what stands before us

We close the divide because we know, to put our future first,

we must first put our differences aside

We lay down our arms

so we can reach out our arms

to one another

We seek harm to none and harmony for all

 

Let the globe, if nothing else, say this is true:

That even as we grieved, we grew

That even as we hurt, we hoped

That even as we tired, we tried

That we'll forever be tied together, victorious

Not because we will never again know defeat

but because we will never again sow division

Scripture tells us to envision

that everyone shall sit under their own vine and fig tree

And no one shall make them afraid

 

If we're to live up to our own time

Then victory won't lie in the blade

But in all the bridges we've made

That is the promise to glade

The hill we climb

If only we dare

 

It's because being American is more than a pride we inherit,

it's the past we step into

and how we repair it

We've seen a force that would shatter our nation

rather than share it

Would destroy our country if it meant delaying democracy

 

And this effort very nearly succeeded

But while democracy can be periodically delayed

it can never be permanently defeated

In this truth

in this faith we trust

For while we have our eyes on the future

history has its eyes on us

 

This is the era of just redemption

We feared at its inception

We did not feel prepared to be the heirs

of such a terrifying hour

but within it we found the power

to author a new chapter

To offer hope and laughter to ourselves

So while once we asked,

how could we possibly prevail over catastrophe?

Now we assert

How could catastrophe possibly prevail over us?

 

We will not march back to what was

but move to what shall be

A country that is bruised but whole,

benevolent but bold,

fierce and free

 

We will not be turned around

or interrupted by intimidation

because we know our inaction and inertia

will be the inheritance of the next generation

Our blunders become their burdens

But one thing is certain:

If we merge mercy with might,

and might with right,

then love becomes our legacy

and change our children's birthright

 

So let us leave behind a country

better than the one we were left with

Every breath from my bronze-pounded chest,

we will raise this wounded world into a wondrous one

We will rise from the gold-limbed hills of the west,

we will rise from the windswept northeast

where our forefathers first realized revolution

We will rise from the lake-rimmed cities of the midwestern states,

we will rise from the sunbaked south

We will rebuild, reconcile and recover

and every known nook of our nation and

every corner called our country,

our people diverse and beautiful will emerge,

battered and beautiful

 

When day comes we step out of the shade,

aflame and unafraid

The new dawn blooms as we free it

For there is always light,

if only we're brave enough to see it

If only we're brave enough to be it

 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/535052-read-transcript-of-amanda-gormans-inaugural-poem

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1 hour ago, jeba said:

I wouldn´t call building a pipeline you have a permit for stealing

Sadly that doesn’t surprise me.

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If you contest the legalità of the permit you could as well claim that the whole of the US is occupied illegally by settlers and stolen from native Americans.

The lands were stolen, and any permit issued subsequently won’t change the facts. It is incumbent upon us to acknowledge those facts and incorporate them into whatever decision making process ensues. The truth isn’t always pretty or convenient.

https://aeon.co/essays/how-were-1-5-billion-acres-of-land-so-rapidly-stolen

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