How many of you will trust Covid-19 vaccine with own lives?

How many of you will trust Covid-19 vaccine with own lives?   147 votes

  1. 1. How many of you will trust Covid-19 vaccine with own lives?

    • I will do it, this vaccine is made by doctors, and they know how is done and if is efficient.
      98
    • I will not do it, doctors got different opinions about side effects, for the moment they don't trust this vaccine, why should I do it?
      8
    • Vaccine? For Covid-19? GTFOOH! Doctors still learn the virus and you want to do a vaccine? Are you insane?
      3
    • They plan to force people to do the vaccine, in order to fly, otherwise you cannot fly or travel internationally without one.
      11
    • I am ok without one, I am still healthy, after 8-9 months of ''quarantine living'. With mask and disinfectants who needs a vaccine?
      2
    • I will do it, but in a year or so, first persons are ''lab rats'' testers. I don't trust them yet.
      20
    • I was already sick. No need for a vaccine for me.
      5

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Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says

 

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Unvaccinated people do more than merely risk their own health. They're also a risk to everyone if they become infected with coronavirus, infectious disease specialists say.

That's because the only source of new coronavirus variants is the body of an infected person.

"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN Friday.

"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," Schaffner said.

"When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road."

All viruses mutate, and while the coronavirus is not particularly mutation-prone, it does change and evolve.

Most of the changes mean nothing to the virus, and some can weaken it. But sometimes, a virus develops a random mutation that gives it an advantage -- better transmissibility, for instance, or more efficient replication, or an ability to infect a great diversity of hosts.

Viruses with an advantage will outcompete other viruses, and will eventually make up the majority of virus particles infecting someone. If that infected person passes the virus to someone else, they'll be passing along the mutant version.

If a mutant version is successful enough, it becomes a variant.

But it has to replicate to do that. An unvaccinated person provides that opportunity.

 

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I already posted the article, the data from Ministry of Health is misleading:

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“The number of unvaccinated over-60s is actually smaller than we think. Some who appear to be unvaccinated are actually dead, as it can take time to record deaths; others are protected by recovery from the illness,” commented Aran.

He believes that statistics falsely pointing to poor vaccine performance are harmful, because they make people more reluctant to take the shots.

“This hurts compliance of people with vaccinations,” he said. “If you’re saying to the public that vaccines work less, it hurts enthusiasm for them.”

 

 

I visited three crowded events (open air) in the recent month, no mask. If the vaccine is so bad, I would have been sick for now, and all the mass events would have been banned. So far they aren't. 

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The current study was conducted among 28,064 nationally insured, vaccinated adults who performed corona tests as of June 1st. The researchers chose tests performed after this date, because then the Delta strain in Israel began to emerge as dominant. The study included only vaccines that at least two weeks had passed on the day of the test since the second vaccination, and that there was no evidence that they had occurred in the past.

 

The findings showed that among those aged 60 and over, two percent of the subjects vaccinated more than 142 days ago were positive, compared with one percent of the subjects vaccinated less than 142 days ago. That is, there was a 1.92-fold probability of infection in those who were vaccinated more than 142 days ago compared to those who were vaccinated afterwards.

 

https://www.ynet.co.il/health/article/syjdq95co

 

A study from a small Krankenkasse. 

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1 hour ago, yourkeau said:

 

I visited three crowded events (open air) in the recent month, no mask. If the vaccine is so bad, I would have been sick for now, and all the mass events would have been banned. So far they aren't. 

 

With how many people did you sufficient contact for transmission at those mass events?

 

What percentage of the crowd was infected at each event?

 

What are the chances of infection for someone in your age / health profile?

 

Consider that seasonality is currently unfavorable for infection also.

 

Your risk of infection even without the vaccine would have been quite low in my opinion.

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3 hours ago, balticus said:

Do you see a trend?

Yes we´re seeing new variants popping up.

Maybe that´s helped by cockwombles like you thinking the way to combat this virus is to let it run free ?

Don't supposed you ever thought about that ?

Oh have you noticed how new cases in Texas and Florida are rising,you seem very keen to mention them when they drop so thought I`d let you know that.

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, balticus said:

Your risk of infection even without the vaccine would have been quite low in my opinion.

Yer but your opinion isn´t worth shit as has been shown time and time again.

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1 hour ago, Keleth said:

cockwombles

 

I would look this word up, but then it would be in my search history and when the FBI raids my house they'll find it.

"So, Cat, just exactly what is your interest in cockwombies"?

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51 minutes ago, Keleth said:

Yes we´re seeing new variants popping up.

 

So a new booster for every new variant?    You are going to have a very sore arm.

 

Hypothetical question:   are people who have received two jabs, but have become tired of the proverbial moving goalposts and reject the boosters or after the nth booster they reject the (n+1)th in the category of "anti-vaxxers"?     My guess is that we are going to find out.   

 

 

51 minutes ago, Keleth said:

Maybe that´s helped by cockwombles like you thinking the way to combat this virus is to let it run free ?

 

 

Isolate and protect the vulnerable.   Keep the rest of society open or suffer the consequences of blanket lockdowns which are worse than COVID in aggregate.  It has been my position for over 1 year.   

 

By the way, you will interested to know that Sweden has not recorded a COVID death since July 12.    🇸🇪 😎

 

You can compare Sweden with countries like the Seychelles and Israel over the coming months to see which approach worked best. 

 

 

51 minutes ago, Keleth said:

Don't supposed you ever thought about that ?

 

After looking at the data, i found your understanding of my arguments to be totally confused.    

 

 

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3 hours ago, balticus said:

Keep the rest of society open or suffer the consequences of blanket lockdowns which are worse than COVID in aggregate.  It has been my position for over 1 year. 

Why there are so few people who are anti lockdowns/travel restrictions but pro vaccination and pro masks (including, every 6 months, if necessary)?

 

I don't want to buy the whole package.

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8 hours ago, yourkeau said:

Why there are so few people who are anti lockdowns/travel restrictions but pro vaccination and pro masks (including, every 6 months, if necessary)?

 

I don't want to buy the whole package.

That is the big problem.

It is not just anti lockdown,it is anti mask,anti distancing and in the case of Corona anti vaccination.The "science" says they don´t work apparently.

It just wants to let the virus run free and achieve the utopia of herd immunity.

Even its idol (The Swede who came up with their Corona plan,forget their name) says that herd immunity cannot be achieved without a vaccine and that was never the plan.

11 hours ago, balticus said:

So a new booster for every new variant?    You are going to have a very sore arm.

Have you ever thought that new variants are popping up because people are ignoring protocols,you know just letting the virus run free ?

How in your thinking do you get past the fact that people can actually catch the virus more than once ?

11 hours ago, balticus said:

After looking at the data, i found your understanding of my arguments to be totally confused. 

So the cases rising in Florida and Texas is not a problem although a couple of pages back the cases dropping was an argument in your favour ?

The reason people are confused by your arguments is because they keep changing.

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5 hours ago, Keleth said:

Have you ever thought that new variants are popping up because people are ignoring protocols,you know just letting the virus run free ?

How in your thinking do you get past the fact that people can actually catch the virus more than once ?

Just wait until a variant turn up that is super deadly.

The anti-lockdown, anti-vaccination and the "we are just anti as the situation is quite scary and we desperately need to do something so we feel in control" people will be the first ones to go.

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20 hours ago, yourkeau said:

I visited three crowded events (open air) in the recent month, no mask. If the vaccine is so bad, I would have been sick for now, and all the mass events would have been banned. So far they aren't. 

Another study confirms that vaccinated COVID carriers infect fewer people. From this Sunday the entrance to any mass event is for vaccinated only. 

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Health Ministry data indicates that 80 percent of vaccinated individuals who recently contracted breakthrough infections of COVID-19 have not infected others in public places, according to a television report on Saturday.

According to the research, the vast majority (80%) of immunized COVID-19 carriers did not spread the virus to anyone else while at concerts, restaurants, gyms or event halls, Channel 12 reported.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/80-of-vaccinated-covid-carriers-didnt-spread-virus-in-public-spaces-report/

 

 

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5 minutes ago, yourkeau said:

Another study confirms that vaccinated COVID carriers infect fewer people. From this Sunday the entrance to any mass event is for vaccinated only. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/80-of-vaccinated-covid-carriers-didnt-spread-virus-in-public-spaces-report/

 

That's good to know.  In Icelandic news, a graduating class from a gymnasium went on a graduation trip to Crete.  By the time they went on the plane home, about half of them were already showing symptoms but still got on the plane, came late so they weren't seated together and ran around the plane for 6 hrs without masks, sneezing and coughing on everybody.  So far no reports about other people on that plane getting sick but still early days.

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1 hour ago, yourkeau said:

The vaccine still works:

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Yes it does.  Although looking at that graph if we look at July last year,  before vaccinations started, there's not that much difference.  Or am I just wrong again as usual ?

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On 7/25/2021, 8:29:57, balticus said:

So a new booster for every new variant? 

 

I think we have to distinguish the difference between a "booster" vs. a "seasonal" vaccine.  I would guess that a booster is basically another injection of the same vaccine, but a seasonal shot is more like a seasonal flu vaccine that has been newly formulated to resist the latest variant to which a booster would be less efficacious.

If the Delta variant falls under the first example and can be resisted with the current vaccine, then a booster may be needed to "boost" the vaccine's diminishing effectiveness.  But, if the Zeta variant resists the current vaccine, then a "new" vaccine would be required.

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