How many of you will trust Covid-19 vaccine with own lives?

How many of you will trust Covid-19 vaccine with own lives?   147 votes

  1. 1. How many of you will trust Covid-19 vaccine with own lives?

    • I will do it, this vaccine is made by doctors, and they know how is done and if is efficient.
      98
    • I will not do it, doctors got different opinions about side effects, for the moment they don't trust this vaccine, why should I do it?
      8
    • Vaccine? For Covid-19? GTFOOH! Doctors still learn the virus and you want to do a vaccine? Are you insane?
      3
    • They plan to force people to do the vaccine, in order to fly, otherwise you cannot fly or travel internationally without one.
      11
    • I am ok without one, I am still healthy, after 8-9 months of ''quarantine living'. With mask and disinfectants who needs a vaccine?
      2
    • I will do it, but in a year or so, first persons are ''lab rats'' testers. I don't trust them yet.
      20
    • I was already sick. No need for a vaccine for me.
      5

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22 hours ago, fraufruit said:

The US has given $4 billion to the covax program so far. That's pretty generous.

 

Only in the way that giving me 200€ for bog roll would have been 'generous' last April - I would still have been using a hamster-on-a-stick.

 

Rather, the UK and US have managed to make themselves look (and feel, probably, so thorough is our capacity for self-deception) fantastic whilst not actually getting vaccine into people's arms. 

 

Like my bog roll example, once vaccine is freely available, Covax will be able to buy loads for its programme, but right now only a donation of actual vaccination (four pack of bog roll) is immediately helping. 

 

It is back to look after your own first, or share at least some straight away. The analogy with putting your own oxygen mask on before helping your kid isn't a good fit - there is not an equal risk of Covid, or equal access to good healthcare if you catch it, over the world population. Some places are much worse off, Jonny's point above notwithstanding.

 

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16 hours ago, catjones said:

 

The "money" pays for the "vaccine".

It's always about the money.

Normally yes.

But if you can´t get the vaccine it doesn`t matter how much money you have.

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Given the vast difference in Cases and Deaths, I'd say Europe is more 'third-world' than the third-world.

 

 

27 minutes ago, kiplette said:

Some places are much worse off

 

You got that right...

 

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And that's the key, isn't it - choosing specific countries/regions which have little chance of sourcing and paying for their own vaccine and who have a bad case of the Covids.

 

I do presume that the people in charge of the Covax campaign will do that. Maybe that's not true.

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We back to the "EU" have give away vaccines.  Load of bull.

Private companies with global logistics have exported a final product on a contractual basis to buyers.  The EU have not exported anything and are being supplied on a contractual basis the same as other buyers.   Next we'll be getting told Biontech/Pfizer is a EU product, when it relies upon global logistics to be created.

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9 minutes ago, bennetn said:

  Next we'll be getting told Biontech/Pfizer is a EU product, when it relies upon global logistics to be created.

Sounds like someone really has an axe to grind.

Not heard anyone say that about Biontech but heard many say that the AZ is a British product.

 

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My almost 80-year old neighbour had AZ. Less than 24 hours later he was taken to hospital with an embolism and heart attack. Which is disturbing.

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17 hours ago, Keleth said:

Sounds like someone really has an axe to grind.

Not heard anyone say that about Biontech but heard many say that the AZ is a British product.

 

An axe to grind about what?

So the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine wasn't included in the number of "vaccines supplied by the EU" to the world?

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Just got the AZ vaccine, second one set up for early July.  Didn't even have to set up an appointment, a specialist I've been seeing just called me up - at nearly 10pm -  and asked it I wanted to get it tomorrow afternoon.  Sure, absolutely!

 

It's been about 18 hours and so far am feeling no ill effects. If anything it's helped my mood because I finally feel I've been able to do something to help in the fight against this menace.

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4 hours ago, optimista said:

My almost 80-year old neighbour had AZ. Less than 24 hours later he was taken to hospital with an embolism and heart attack. Which is disturbing.

That is disturbing. I hope he gets better soon. It could be a coincidence - or it could be due to the vaccine or the way it was administered. There's a debate about whether the people giving the vaccine should 'aspirate' or not ie pull back the syringe top. If they see red, it means they're injecting into a blood vessel which can increase the risk of blood clots. If they don't then it means it's going into the muscle tissue as it should. 

 

I'm not a medical professional like so many of the medical experts on here - we know the ones<_<. But I watch the daily updates by John Campbell on youtube and this is what he was discussing the other day.

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9 minutes ago, Jonny said:

That is disturbing. I hope he gets better soon. It could be a coincidence - or it could be due to the vaccine or the way it was administered. There's a debate about whether the people giving the vaccine should 'aspirate' or not ie pull back the syringe top. If they see red, it means they're injecting into a blood vessel which can increase the risk of blood clots. If they don't then it means it's going into the muscle tissue as it should. 

 

I'm not a medical professional like so many of the medical experts on here - we know the ones<_<. But I watch the daily updates by John Campbell on youtube and this is what he was discussing the other day.

There are no blood vessels big enough in the muscles used for the vaccination (M. Deltoideus) and aspiration before injection is expressively advised against for the Biontech vaccine as it may harm the micelles containing the RNA due to pressure fluctuations. There are many more things to consider with that drug as I pointed out repeatedly. It can´t be handled like a normal injectable drug.

 

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1 minute ago, jeba said:

It can´t be handled like a normal injectable drug.

 

Like I said, I'm not a professional. I'm just repeating what Dr John Campbell said. He mentioned he'd been giving jabs for around 40 years and he was always taught to aspirate. But maybe you know something he doesn't. 

 

I guess the science changes. Years ago after having a heart attack, total rest was prescribed, now exercise is recommended. Things change I guess.

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4 hours ago, optimista said:

My almost 80-year old neighbour had AZ. Less than 24 hours later he was taken to hospital with an embolism and heart attack. Which is disturbing.

Very unlikely in my view that this was caused by the vaccine as it takes longer to produce blood clots - even in the rare cases it does.

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Just now, Jonny said:

 

Like I said, I'm not a professional. I'm just repeating what Dr John Campbell said. He mentioned he'd been giving jabs for around 40 years and he was always taught to aspirate. But maybe you know something he doesn't. 

In that case I dare to say yes, I do. But I sympathize with Campbell because that had been my first thought as well when I saw that they injected without aspiration.

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Today, I was surprised to hear from my new colleague ( born and brought up here ) who is barely in her 30's that she has got an invite for vaccination. I thought we had just started 60+.  I had met my Hausarzt this week and she said that she would notify me when my turn comes as they are getting i think only 20 vaccines per week.

 

I only hope that there is no unwritten policy to first vaccine the german citizens before vaccinating, the rest of the residents ( i had experienced this last year when we were shunted to the last of the queue for the return flights back to Germany giving precedence to german citizens )

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Do you know your colleagues complete medical history?

 

I'm sure there is no foreigner conspiracy.

 

I have a PSA in case anyone else experiences this. Today, my injection site became itchy so I thought OK it's healing. Upon further inspection I noticed it was red all around it, swollen, hard and hot. No other symptoms. (Himself wanted to call a doc to come to the house) I put an ice pack on it and called a paramedic friend of mine. She told me to draw a circle around the red area, take some Ibu or Paracetamol and keep an eye on it. Later she sent me this article which is exactly what I have.

 

No worries.

 

I am not a doctor so feel free to seek real medical advice if you have the same symptoms.

 

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2 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

Do you know your colleagues complete medical history?

 

I'm sure there is no foreigner conspiracy.

 As she is just one week into her job, i dont know much about her. And its rude and against data protection and privacy guidelines to pry any more information. But in 02 separate meetings she confirmed this fact.

 

I generally trust the german system to be fair - and so was disappointed last year when i was denied the flights till the very last one.

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4 hours ago, RajeshG said:

 As she is just one week into her job, i dont know much about her. And its rude and against data protection and privacy guidelines to pry any more information. But in 02 separate meetings she confirmed this fact.

 

I don't think fraufruit was suggesting that you ask for her complete medical history, just pointing out to you that this person could be in a high risk group for some reason and if you don't know her well, you wouldn't know about it.

 

I got a letter too and 2 people I know.  I also got mask vouchers when they were doing those.  I asked AOK at the time and they said that the health authorities asked them to filter out people with certain medical problems to make up these high risk groups.

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9 hours ago, RajeshG said:

I only hope that there is no unwritten policy to first vaccine the german citizens...

 

They wouldn't dare to have an official policy, written or otherwise. But at the end of the day it's individuals who have the power to implement lists on the ground as they see fit. Men in uniforms. With a little bit of power. As you found out when it came to getting on a flight. Someone has to be last of course. And it stinks. Sadly, it's the way of the world.

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