What would you pay for these?

[SpiderPig 9,718]

 

So, as a result of my Barn conversion, I have quite a bit of timber left over... and a few other bits n bobs too!

 

So, to keep myself occupied I have made a few of these lamps and donated to friends who have assisted me in the barn... 

 

Each of them have said they are fantastic and I should sell them..  

 

Each lamp takes about 3-4 hours to clean, prep and fit all the electrics...  the parts are not cheap, but hey ho.. gotta live with it..

 

BUT..  I have no idea how much I could sell them for..   Each one has a power socket with 2 usb connections, the lighting depends on the piece of timber...  

 

How much should I expect to get?

 

Your thoughts are welcome.. 

[dom 2,295]

I'd start at 40 Euro. That's from my experience trying to find a decent outdoor socket/lamp combi which looks half way stable to the elements.

The "quality" products start from that price. Depending on how artistic it looks (polished wood?) you could easily go higher, I reckon. No idea what your materials cost you!

[dstanners 1,079]

Firstly, I like the look of them (but think you could use nicer looking electrical fittings). That said, as for price, I can understand @dom's €40 if you start making them for sale (I'd have possibly said a bit more, say €50-80). The difficulty with handcrafted goods is to get a price which reflects a sensible hourly rate. If you spend most of a day to make one lamp, then €80 isn't a fair price.

You can make the price seem fairer (to you) if you make the items less bespoke (the same design again and again), which would reduce the time you need on each item. However, I imagine the reason you make them is because you enjoy the work, and just banging out the same design probably wouldn't give you the satisfaction.

Why not stick a couple on ebay kleinanzeigen with a price of, say €200 each, which isn't crazy, but you can afford to wait for the right purchaser? Mind you, if you want better prices, I think you should look at higher end electrical fittings.  

  

[maxie 398]

Just by looking at these, I would expect them to be between € 80 and € 100. I wouldn't by them because my toddler destroys those kind of things for breakfast. 

If you call them "designer" and "Einzelstück", you could go even higher I think. 

https://picclick.de/Stehleuchte-Echtholz-Fachwerk-LED-Stehlampe-Design-293665651580.html 

 

[SpiderPig 9,718]

I have used stanard "off the shelf" fittings so people could replace parts if they fail... 

 

200€ is a bit more than I thought, but there arent 2 of a kind...  each has its own identily...

 

The transormers are small but quallity, the LED lamps are standard...   The socket with usb connections are all that I could find at the time at a sensible price...

 

If you look on ebay for Alte eich balken, you will see that a meter of wood is in the region of 35€ plus postage... 

 

If I was to buy the wood, plus the parts, we are at 75€ buy in price... 

 

I am looking at making other unique light fittings... so "Watch this space"... 

[RedMidge 6,110]

Hand -made items can seldom  compete with mass produce items for price, unless they are unique . 

Yours look very marketable,  you have included usb sockets, one of a kind, and will look good on a terrace/ balcony, or in rustic decorations. I would try pricing them 40-80 euros, but. Unique items can sell well. Happy carving.

 

[SpiderPig 9,718]

13 minutes ago, RedMidge said:

Hand -made items can seldom  compete with mass produce items for price, unless they are unique . 

Yours look very marketable,  you have included usb sockets, one of a kind, and will look good on a terrace/ balcony, or in rustic decorations. I would try pricing them 40-80 euros, but. Unique items can sell well. Happy carving.

 

Thanks...  I will sell them at a loss...  infact, anyone interested in one, they can collect and I will give you a few euro on top too!

 

 

https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=alte+eich+balken+lampe&_sacat=0

[Sir Percy B 1,306]

SP

 

Are you even allowed to sell these lights?

 

I thought electrical products had to meet various standards like intended use, who should not use them, what to do in the event of malfunction before they can be on the open market.

 

[SpiderPig 9,718]

All the electrical items are certificated for use in DE/EU... 

[cb6dba 6,234]

They look cool, if you can't sell them yourself you could try selling to an art shop, specialist gift shop etc.

A friend of ours makes an ok living making stuff out of concrete (plant pots, little dishes etc). She designs them herself and it seem to work.

 

If you're lucky, you'll find people who are interested and are willing to pay for the work (and for something that it one of a kind).

 

The whole certification question made me think, if you take a certified light/lamp and put it in something else (like you have here),  is it still certified??

 

[Sir Percy B 1,306]

3 hours ago, SpiderPig said:

All the electrical items are certificated for use in DE/EU... 

 

Agreed, but here's your problem as I understand it, if you were recycling/restoring an old lamp then this would be classed as second hand equipment and the CE mark does not need to be applied.

 

What you are doing is upcycling, you are taking something that was not a lamp and turning it into a lamp which is effectively a new product. Therefore it will need to comply with the Low Voltage Directive and be CE Marked.

 

Have a look here to see if this helps.

 

 

[SpiderPig 9,718]

Interesting link.. 

 

The Light switch, the Trafo, the Socket and the LED "Einbau Strahler" even the plug on the end of the cable hace CE certification..

 

So, is a 2000 piece jigsaw puzzle still a jigsaw puzle once it's been completed? 

[HH_Sailor 2,360]

You're creating and selling art.

 

If you look at the art market in Munich, you'll see that you can ask any price you want for your art.

 

If you call it a lamp (or charger) then I guess you'll have trouble with CE and MoHs (?) as well as recycling it (or proving that you would). As well as registering with insurances etc. etc.

 

Nice art !

 

Remember, this is Germany!

 

 

[SpiderPig 9,718]

1 hour ago, SpiderPig said:

 

Suppose I Best get some artist insurance then... 

[Sir Percy B 1,306]

2 hours ago, SpiderPig said:

The Light switch, the Trafo, the Socket and the LED "Einbau Strahler" even the plug on the end of the cable hace CE certification..

 

They might have CE Certification as individual parts but are you a qualified Electrician to put them altogether as one unit and say they meet all the necessary standards? 

 

 

[dstanners 1,079]

wo kein Klaeger (as no German would ever say in this situation)? I think this is imagined as a hobby/pin money, rather than a new product line in a High Street store.

I like the idea of selling it as art though.

 

[SpiderPig 9,718]

25 minutes ago, Sir Percy B said:

 

They might have CE Certification as individual parts but are you a qualified Electrician to put them altogether as one unit and say they meet all the necessary standards? 

 

 

I passed my Exams and aprenticeship  and fledged as a fully quallified and ISO recognised Electrician...   

[SpiderPig 9,718]

well, you would beleive it, my neighbour has just turned up for a coffee and a look at the barn conversion....  He has a bit of an idea about things.. he is a police officer in the Wiesbaden KriPo... 

I asked him about the legallity of selling them and he said, "I'll give you 300€ for that one now..."...  he is looking for something special for his sister for christmas!!   

 

It no different than if you buy such a lamp from a car boot sale!! 

[kiplette 7,373]

Yay! Result.

 

And frankly if you've sold it to the KriPo there can't really be any issue.

 

edit to say that I hope your leg is better - sounded awful

[catjones 1,243]

leave it to the germans to find the dark side of a lamp.