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Sorry to return to this painful subject but I am nearly there ! (thanks sincerely to all those who have helped in the past !) 

 

So here goes... 

 

My UK base employer  understands that any National Insurance contributions made in the UK should now go to the GKV (my A1 states I am subject to German Social Services until 31/12/21) - more specifically TKV - so they have no issue with paying the contributions they would have paid for me in the UK -  Obviously this does not cover the full amount due but we have come to an arrangement whereby they have increased my salary to accommodate the increased social service bill - so far so good !   

 

If anyone here has experience of TK they may know that they provide a help to UK firms with the provision of a form that allows my to pay the amounts myself to the TK rather than the employer (it actually saves them paying out for specialist firms to work out what is due etc) and also has the added bonus that they work out the amounts due.

 

So in my mind it is simply a case of getting the National Insurance contributions (employer and employee) included as a credit on my monthly salary ...Has anyone else ever dealt with this ?? - As it appears whilst my UK employer is happy to do do this - their Payroll provider in the UK so do not have a clue or understand how to do this ??? - HMRC are fully aware that I resident in Germany - and have my documentation it is merely the UK payroll that do not understand it !! 

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Do German people who decide to move to UK but still work for a German company get TK to pay their NI contributions?  Is this really a thing?  NHS is funded 80 percent by general taxation.  I know this not helpful, but can you really, really see TK doing that?  Happy to surprised if they do.  If you were a posted worker it would be easy.  Or even if you could get a job at their German office.  But I think the idea of just moving somewhere and expecting your company and the country you move to, to pick up the costs is, well, optimistic.

Maybe try it with the US`?  

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actually under EU law a UK company is still legally obliged to pay an employees health contributions  if the employee lives in one member state but works and is employed in another -this is a fact until 31/12/20 - in my case it has been determined that I am a German residence the social security liability lies here not in the UK. 

 

By EU law my company should pay the TK contribution - what I am trying to do and being helpful is to effectively top up what they would have paid in the UK for my NI - so its a case of their contribution here for TK should EUR 850 whereas under the NI in the UK it was EUR 400 - so I am paying the difference - hope that make sense. TK allow the employee make the contribution - so all I am trying to do is ensure that that NI contribution that would have paid in the UK by my employer comes to me so I can pay TK. 

 

But their payroll do not understand how to do this - I could leave it as and the TK or GKV will eventually take my company to court for payment (by that stage I would imagine I would be sacked !) - so I have to pursue this. 

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On 10/11/2020, 4:17:05, snowingagain said:

Do German people who decide to move to UK but still work for a German company get TK to pay their NI contributions?  Is this really a thing?  NHS is funded 80 percent by general taxation.  I know this not helpful, but can you really, really see TK doing that?  Happy to surprised if they do.  If you were a posted worker it would be easy.  Or even if you could get a job at their German office.  But I think the idea of just moving somewhere and expecting your company and the country you move to, to pick up the costs is, well, optimistic.

Maybe try it with the US`?  

A serious question but where does the other 20% of the NHS funds come from?

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2 hours ago, ramrod said:

actually under EU law a UK company is still legally obliged to pay an employees health contributions  if the employee lives in one member state but works and is employed in another -this is a fact until 31/12/20 - in my case it has been determined that I am a German residence the social security liability lies here not in the UK. 

 

I found a thread on someone doing what you are trying to do.  She got her company to pay both her and the company NI contributions to her, and she then paid TK. Still ended up some 600 euro extra per month. Found TK very helpful.    It took 2 years to sort the tax out though.  Beckahstar.

 

https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=436238

 

She has a Toytown profile though has not been on here for a while.  

 

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Patient charges??? NI contributions don't all go to the Health service. Just saying.

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50 minutes ago, McDee said:

Patient charges???  NI contributions don't all go to the Health service.

Apparently. A small fraction of funding comes from patient charges, still counts though. Every little helps. 

As for the NI contributions - that's obvious, it's primarily an insurance for benefits and pensions funding. It so happens that now some of it is used to fund the NHS as well. ;)

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21 minutes ago, McDee said:

Why obvious?

Well to me it is. I'm from the UK. I know what NI is and what it's for. As I said it's primarily an insurance for benefits and pensions funding. It so happens that now some of it is used to fund the NHS as well. ;)

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Hahaha. Nice googling. Good God you walked into that. Please don't reply or quote me again.

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17 minutes ago, McDee said:

Hahaha. Nice googling.  Good God you walked into that.

I didn't google anything, nor did I need to, nor did I walk into anything - I've no idea what you're on about. You asked a question and I answered it. The rest is all your doing. :rolleyes: 

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Hahaha. Nice googling. Good God you walked into that. Please don't reply or quote me again. Read it again. I'm sorry that your knitting class has been cancelled. 

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1 hour ago, McDee said:

ahaha. Nice googling. Good God you walked into that. Please don't reply or quote me again. Read it again. I'm sorry that your knitting class has been cancelled. 

Again, I didn't google anything, nor did I need to, nor did I walk into anything - I've no idea what you're on about. You asked a question and I answered it. The rest is all your doing. :rolleyes: I don't have a knitting class that has been cancelled or otherwise. :rolleyes: 

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18 minutes ago, McDee said:

Stop trolling me

Here we go again! :rolleyes: Disagree with the other person? Just call them a troll. Great way to conduct a discussion. :rolleyes:

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This modern world- everyone who disagrees with someone is a troll. I am getting tired of being called that on here as well. It has happened a few times lately.

Agree or disagree - let us argue- fine! 
For the record- I haven’t a clue who lunaCH is.

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She is a clueless idiot who is a troll. You aren't a troll, John. You seem to be a nice guy mate.

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I am lovely, mate! Bit old-fashioned and sort of stuck in my loveliness🙈😌😂. 
I don’t know luna from Eva.

But again, what is a troll ? Someone you 

disagree with ?

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